023 - Licia Morelli: Reclaiming Our Spiritual Gifts
Welcome, dear ones. This week on Threshold Moments I’m joined by writer, psychic, business owner, and dear friend Licia Morelli.
Licia shares her psychic journey with us — how she discovered her abilities as a child, shut them down until college, grew them into a successful business, lost sight of the true reason she did this work, closed her business for six years, and then rediscovered and reclaimed that part of herself after surviving cancer.
Together we discuss the challenges of belonging, the importance of curiosity, the power of grief, and the life-saving nature of joy.
Tune in to hear more about—
Licia’s earliest clairvoyant experiences
Creating boundaries with the spiritual world
Getting swept up in being “special”
Emerging from grief and the cycle of awareness
The power of curiosity and asking questions
Why we should ask ourselves “what am I learning in this moment?”
How to work with the moon phases
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Episode Transcript
Sarah Tacy [00:00:05]
Hello welcome, I'm Sarah Tacy and this is Threshold Moments, the podcast where guests and I share stories about the process of updating into truer versions of ourselves. The path is unknown and the pull feels real. Together we share our grief, laughter, love and life saving tools. Join us. Hello and welcome to today's podcast. I have Alicia Morelli with us here. And what you can expect to hear today is a story of a woman who is a professional psychic who shares with us when she first started realizing that she was perceiving things that others were not perceiving. She talks to us about her early creations as a child of altars and rituals and how at times these things disappeared from her life and how and when and why they reappeared. We talk about making boundaries with the information that comes in from the outside world towards us or from the spiritual world towards us, and the idea of how to belong in a society when our gifts may seem different than the ones that are held up or normalized. We talk about when the ego takes over, when people do say, wow, that's so special and our businesses build and we start thriving.
Sarah Tacy [00:01:36]
And the possibility that the business itself and our ego itself may take over like a train without a driver. And how that may lead to some serious threshold moments in which there may be a train crash. And how we grief, how we let parts of ourselves die, how we return to ourselves, what that looks like, what joy looks like on the other side. In the end, we talk about the power of the moon, the power of ritual, the power of community. I am so excited to share Alicia with you. She is a joy. Her presence adds humor and depth. And without further ado, here's the interview. Welcome to the Threshold Moments podcast. Today we have Lisa Morelli and Lisa is a clairvoyant psychic who has been working with clients and teaching workshops for over 15 years. Lisa is also the best selling author of two children's books, both of which My Family have and love, and her writing has been featured in Vanity Fair, Main Media Workshops and The Rumpus. Lecia lives with her family on the coast of Maine, and as a professional psychic, she believes that the world would be better if you trusted your gut more and ate chocolate cookies.
Sarah Tacy [00:03:07]
My God, so excited to be here with you today. And this podcast really is so much about people who live a life in which they're continuously updating their programming to be current with current time need, current time growth, current time calling, and what that process looks like. And since the time that I've known you, I have seen you in different iterations of yourself, but you've never left yourself behind. So you've always been with yourself in different iterations. And there's a part of me that would love to kind of travel through your timeline and hear what your process has been like to stay true to yourself. In my mind, I think I know where I'd like us to start. And this morning I asked Steve. I said, Steve, if you could ask Lisa any question, what would it be? And he's like, I wonder what she was like as a child. When did she first start noticing that she was noticing things that maybe other people weren't noticing? So that's a pretty early timeline start, but I'm wondering if you could start there with us.
Licia Morelli [00:04:27]
Yeah, yeah, well, let me first by saying thank you so much for having me. It it's always like as you can see, my cheeks are burning because I'm smiling. So my Muppet mouth is going right. So thank you Sarah for having me and thank you for everyone to listen. I think this is such a joy. I'm imagining, you know, that your bud's in and may our conversation bring some inspired action. So I love this question because I think it's one that I bypass a lot because I'm like, people don't want to hear that, But it's I'm reminded that actually origin stories, and this goes for everyone listening, like our origin stories are so potent. They land us in a space and place and time. And I always tell people, when you were eight, what did you want to be? That is who you need to be as an adult, right? And so when I was 8, my grandfather was dying of Melanoma, which interestingly enough, in 2014, I was also diagnosed with Melanoma, stage 3 Melanoma. So there is like this huge through line throughout my life of the origin point of me understanding that I had sort of these otherworldly intuitive gifts. And so he was dying and I was with him a lot because my mother was there a lot. And so I would travel with her to go see him and essentially I helped him in his dying process. I was his sort of companion each day when the adults were doing arrangements or taking, you know, hospital, but you know, whatever it was like I was there. And then when he died, what was so interesting, and my mother tells me like if she noticed it right away, was that at 8 years old I decided to build an altar in my bedroom.
Sarah Tacy [00:06:09]
Wow.
Licia Morelli [00:06:10]
I had a little sort of low table and my grandmother was a ceramicist, so she had made these ceramic figures of my grandfather and her playing golf, right? And so I had taken his and put it on my altar and I had like a candle and, you know, I wasn't allowed to light it right there. And I grew up Catholic, so, you know, ritual was always, I mean, for all intents and purposes, Catholics may do a lot of things that everyone's like, but they know ritual. So like I was influenced by ritual from a very young age just by going to church, right? And So what happened was I took that knowledge and I, I made this altar in my bedroom. And then I would be, I would talk to him. So I talked to his statue, but I would talk to, I would be talking to him and my mom would say that I, she noticed when she would stand in my bedroom, bedroom doorway that it wasn't like I was talking to an imaginary person. It was though I was having a full conversation, right? And I am not a medium by trade, right, Mediums. That's a whole other, you know, scenario. But the connection point to somebody who had crossed over was something that I realized early on that I could see the unseen. I could see things that weren't there, right? And Fast forward to like middle school years that this kind of stuff is a little bit freaky, right? If you if you think to yourself, like, how do I connect to my psychic senses? Like do I see things like pictures in your mind eye? If I say apple, do you see an apple, right? And do you hear things like, are you hearing in your sort of mind's ear the crunch of the apple when I say apple? Or do you feel things and that's their sentience? Like you're holding the apple You. I started to identify that I would see things.
Licia Morelli [00:08:07]
I didn't have a name for it, right? I come from a family where my dad was an accountant, my mom was a teacher. Both my brothers are now in finance. Like there was nobody teaching me that this was like a real thing. I came to find out later that my great grandmother in Italy was the evil eye undoer for her Piazza. So like, there were like these weird connections, but I didn't find that out until I was an adult. So all that to say, in middle school, I tell the story because it's so potent. Like we start to get freaked out by our otherworldly gifts. We all have them. And what happened to me around 12 and 13 was that my mom would always be like, can you go get the mail at night in the winter? Like it was like fall and dark and I, our mailbox was kind of far from our house. And I was like, please don't let me go get the mail. And I went outside and I remember hearing the crunch of the fallen leaves and slowly turning and seeing a gentleman dressed much like James Dean would be dressed over here going.
Sarah Tacy [00:09:10]
Please no. Please no.
Licia Morelli [00:09:12]
My whole body is like, right? I'm like terrified. And it just slowly turned and then I just let out this blood curdling scream because I didn't know what I was seeing. I didn't understand that this was just a premonition. It was just an apparition. Like this was just part of my, you know, ability and my whole family came running to the door. Like what happened? You know, they thought I was like being attacked and I just one, they never asked me to get the mail again because I picked it out. But it also shut down because I just couldn't make it. And so to go kind of back to like these journeys that we go through in life, like that was the first time I remember shutting these experiences down because I didn't know how to contain them. I didn't know how to manage them. So that's where it all started when I was young. And then when I got to college, it began again. And I used to read for my friends, not really knowing what I was doing, but like read for my friends before we would go out right? And so we'd all be pulling tarot cards. But I mean, I use tarot cards to this day, but I don't need tarot cards to read because I'm a clairvoyant. So I just see images in my mind's eye about what's coming for people or what's happening or what action items they need to take. But I would flip over the tarot card and then I'd get these images be like a tarot card that I would then translate into not what the tarot card actually meant because I was actually referring to what I was seeing. And I would just make these wild predictions for my friends. Like, yeah, they're going to call you after their econ final. And they would come flying into my room the next day and be like, you were right. They did call me after my econ final. And I'd be like, oh, well, like I do that, you know? And I was still shocked myself. But what started to happen is I started to realize that I was able to have perspectives in my situations, in my community, with my friends, with my family that nobody else was having.
Licia Morelli [00:11:13]
And I was able to read those situations and support the people within them in a way that they couldn't otherwise be supportive. And that's when it really started to click for me was that there must be something I should, perhaps I should pick up a book, right? Like perhaps I should read about this and learn more about it. And, and it was this long journey of, you know, 12 years of my youth from 8:00 until 20 that I, I really started to, to kind of connect with it. And then it wasn't until I went to Naropa University that that's when it really, because I majored in, you know, contemplative psychology. There was a lot of meditating. And so with that in the Buddhist traditions and specifically the Shambhala traditions, I began to see like, OK, so otherworldly things are part of all traditions. And maybe I should kind of clue in to how to how to really hold space and containers. But it all started when my grandfather died when I was 8.
Sarah Tacy [00:12:16]
Wow. So first of all, I was always scared of going outside in the dark. I think that's why I was having an experience. I still am slightly scared of the dark, which I'm sure we could go into. But yeah, if I had to go out into the car. We have a barn that where I grew up and it's, you know, 300 years old, parts of our house 300 years old. And my dad is like, and I feel bad because sometimes I say this to my daughter too, who also doesn't like being alone at night. He's like, you have lived your whole life safely. 20 feet out that window is your car that has the thing in it that you need. I'm like, I just can't. He's like, you are safe. And I was like, I do not feel safe outside in the dark. I do not feel safe right here. I'm OK. But so when you were telling your story, whatever it is in me that still, like needs some attention and some healing, I was like. Oh God. You're out at night. The leaves were crunching. Say no more. And then when you're like and somebody showed up, I'm like, no, like my.
Licia Morelli [00:13:15]
Terrifying it is my.
Sarah Tacy [00:13:17]
Most terrifying dream come true. So I feel for you and I get why you shut it down. And there was part of me that wants to be like, oh, I think I've sometimes been fearful of receiving messages that I may receive. Or if I open up to this, my whole life will fall apart and have to rearrange itself. And my teacher will say, like, you also get to have boundaries and choice with the energetic world and with the unseen world. You can say, like small doable pieces, please. No scary man out by the mailbox at 8:00 at night on a fall evening. Please, too much.
Licia Morelli [00:13:55]
Too much, really. Yeah. No, it's true. You get to have boundaries. You get to say no because I will even say like, I'm very clear audience, but I don't like it because it freaks me out. Like I don't want to hear my name. Like no, like no, just show me the vision and I'll interpret it from there. And if I'm really dense about it, you can help me feel it. But like you can. And this is what I want to say to everybody. You know when you get in your car and you think of a song and then suddenly it comes on Spotify or you think of a friend you haven't talked to and then suddenly they text you 5 minutes later. That is all psychic, right? We're all psychic, but we get to choose, like you're saying, Sarah, how that information comes to us and then how we work with that information. Because I think for a long time too, especially as a young person, I thought, well, gosh, I'm getting all of this information. I have to do something with it. But that's not true. It's like there's a time and a place and a space for everything and that goes with that container of like bring it into the container, do with it there and then close the container and then go on about your life. People always ask me, aren't you getting psychic hits about people all the time? And I'm like, no, no, no, that's I'm not doing that. Like it's going to go on and off as needed.
Sarah Tacy [00:15:11]
Right, right, right.
Licia Morelli [00:15:12]
It's like a switch, you can turn it off now. That doesn't mean that I'm not feeling into things or having experiences in the day-to-day world, but generally speaking, like I'm not full on, it's too much information.
Sarah Tacy [00:15:25]
Too much. Yeah. So when I was in my early 20s, it happened around the time my grandmother passed away. And I was sitting by her bed. And I remember she was too frail to speak. Her kidneys were shutting down. And so I could smell the sweetness on her breath. And she was holding my hand and everybody was sitting on the other side. And I felt like we were having a full on conversation. And it didn't seem weird because it just seemed like it was happening. I was pretty, you know, I was pretty sure about what was coming through. And then she passed away. And I started having almost immediately after she passed away, I started having these experiences in which my hands would go to a place on somebody's body where they're having pain and they would have like, spontaneous healing. My dad had had three back surgeries and I came home from college and he was just, he couldn't move. And I was very into yoga by this point. So I was like, Hey, I can take you through a sequence and try to make it appropriate for your body. And so at the end he's like, oh, that's, that's great. I haven't been able to move in three weeks. I definitely still have pain, but I'm happy that I could move. And my thumb just like went to the his lower back and touched the spot. I think it was more just like curiosity, right? It's like touched the spot and I felt this ZAP of energy. I was like, I remember looking at my thumb and I was like, what the **** was that? Yeah. And he goes, what just happened? I was like, oh, nothing. We maybe we could do some yoga tomorrow. And he goes, my pain is completely gone. I was incredible. OK.
Sarah Tacy [00:17:03]
And then I had a friend who grew up with a father who became a Buddhist monk and a mother who had reclaimed like a spiritual name and moved to Hawaii and just lived a very different life than I was. Like, I call it a meat and potatoes life. Like, I grew up in New Hampshire and you kind of not because we were crunchy, but you just ate what was local and seasonal and things were pretty straightforward. So I had never heard or seen of anything that was seeming to be happening. And so this, this woman never used any sort of painkillers or anything that might help with her neck pain. But she was about 3 months into having a hard time moving her neck. And again, I wouldn't know why she, you know, came to me, but maybe it's the same reason why your friends are like, Hey, can you do readings before we go out at night? And I was like, sure, I can see what we can do. And I had not, we had not talked about anything about energy healing. And I just had her hat like her head in my hands and kind of just bringing some traction and rotation. And then I found my hands just like going towards her heart. And I would feel, I'm like, why would my hand go towards her heart for her neck and would feel these emotions come through. And then I went behind her ear and I could feel like grief and like, each place had a different feeling. And I had no idea what was going on, but I was just curious. Like, I'm just going to bring my hands where they feel.
[00:18:23] And then someone is like, all right, got to go to practice. And I jump up to like, run to practice. And she's like, oh, my God, I have full rotation of my neck and all my pain is gone. But what eventually started happening once I worked with a woman in Costa Rica, she called me a healer. And again, this was like, I thought just like Jesus was a healer.
Sarah Tacy [00:18:43]
And so I was like, what is this crazy woman talking about? And it scared me. And then I started having pain after I touched her in like the reciprocal place. And somebody told me about energy vampires. And suddenly now I have fear in me about the process of what's happening. And I had a few more years in my life where this continued to happen, but I kind of got further and further away from me. Like, I'll say a prayer on this water and help this person with a headache. And there was still all these spontaneous healings. And eventually it stopped. And I feel like I either turned it off, I don't know. But there was this getting back to the belonging was I was so afraid to be a weirdo. I was like, yeah. And so I got really deep into the study of anatomy and psychology because I just thought, oh, well, I can help people heal themselves if we can find some, like, really logistical ways that feel safe and understandable to them. And then I don't have to be a weirdo and I can still help. Yeah, so I just like just naming for myself how scary it was to have no idea what was happening. I didn't feel like I had control over it, and then also suddenly like not fitting in. Hey friend, if you are feeling depleted today, or even if you're feeling well, I want to offer you my free program called 21 Days of Untapped Support. What this means is that you're tapping into resources that are all around you, possibly within you. That could help shift the equation of stability means more resources than demands. So some resources we look for depend on our financial state.
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Sarah Tacy [00:21:54]
What was it like to step into saying I am a psychic?
Licia Morelli [00:21:57]
Yeah, So what I that I love first, let me just say like I love your process of noticing right? Where you're like freely giving healings and this this pertains to sort of like how we can own our own gifts, talents and strengths as our friend Laura Brady will always tell us. But the piece of it that comes in is like when our ego starts to get involved, when we start to try to put ourselves in a box or we feel like we're too far out-of-the-box of belonging. Like what happens to our constrictive nature of like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I have to run away from this, right? And then it kind of gets put on a shelf and it's like gathering dust, even though it's still lives on within us. And I think for me, what was really difficult was the reaction. At first it was really difficult because everybody defaults to like, I'm an intuitive, right? OK, you know, like I was like, why don't we just name it what it is? It's I miss like it, right? Let's try that out. And I think for me, it was like I either had to go full in or not at all. And that's just sort of my personality of like, either I'm going to name it to tame it, or I'm going to, I'm going to just kind of skirt over it. And I knew if I skirted over it, I wouldn't get the results that I wanted, right? And those results would be like a full embodiment of, of something that I had avoided, right. And so when I first started, you know, just a little history for the listeners is that I had, you know, my first psychic and mystical business started in about 2008. And over the course of, you know, six or seven years, I built it into something that, you know, had its own wheels, right? I, I lost control of what was happening. And I think that's very easy to do when you're young and you're trying to make your way with a career. And I also was very sick with cancer at the end of it. And so I had to. I tell everybody I retired.
Sarah Tacy [00:23:58]
That's where I met you. I met you when you're a retired psycho, which is also amazing.
Licia Morelli [00:24:04]
So the sense of belonging was that I had fully owned this title of much like you could put hands on people and heal them for me, I always knew what people needed to succeed. I always knew what they needed to succeed. I always knew what they needed to succeed. I always knew what they needed to feel empowered to take the next step. Whether or not they took it after I shared that with them, it didn't matter. I just knew what they needed. I could see the path so clearly. I had perspective for that. And then I was able to like anytime somebody talks to me in an intuitive way, I'm like, I'm going to give you an action item. I'm going to give you a little meditation. You go right, like go off into the world. I'm going to tell you what you need to know, but then you're going to get and you're going to get your marching orders right. And people are always like, oh, OK, you know. And So what happened, though, in that first run of getting all of this experience as you know, an intuitive and teaching people how to live a mystical life, I, I lost sight of myself, right? I, I took on the energy of this whole thing and I completely lost sight of myself. I completely lost my grounding, footing, all of it.
Sarah Tacy [00:25:11]
Can you be specific to what that means when you say you lost sight of yourself, your footing, your grounding? Like what is a specific example of losing yourself to the work?
Licia Morelli [00:25:20]
Yeah, so I think this is something that people don't talk about enough, Sarah, like the falls. And So what happened for me is that I started off doing readings and teaching workshops and helping people kind of live this mystical life and tap into their own inner gifts. And that was for the joy of supporting people. I wanted them to feel the joy that I felt when I knew I was paying attention and I had guidance. Like I wanted them to feel that. And then what started to happen is when I was like 30-4 at the time. So let's just be clear. Like I was 34, I was young, I had young kids. We had no money, right? Like we had no money. And I started to make money as a psychic. And then that sort of started to feed the ego of like, oh, well, this is great, right? Like I'm making money and I'm, hey, look, I'm all for free commerce. Like trust me, I still don't want to make a living. But what happened was, is I lost sight of the true reason I had started. And then people had given me this label of special. And when your ego is not intact, Sarah, problems come like big problem. And so for me, I started to believe that I was like on a train to special town. I don't know, like it was stupid. I see it now. It was stupid. So I lost sight of myself. I lost sight of the true reasons I was helping people. And people might not want to hear that, but I really believe that in any industry, there are times when we get swept up in what we think we should be or how it should be or what we're entitled to or, you know, it's like, it's gross. It becomes gross. And I was gross, and then I got cancer. So the universe has a really funny way for me to like, get real humble real quick. I was riding high. I was doing the thing. I was like, you know, seeing all that. And then I get sick and I almost die, right? Like, I it was no joke, You know, I had three surgeries. I had chemo, like the chemo, at one point my heart rate was at 35 beats per minute. Like my secondary heart rate almost kicked in to keep me alive. Like it was really bad.
Licia Morelli [00:27:42]
And I woke up. It was like a girl had put the veil over my eyes. And then I woke up and I was like, you're gross, Morelli, get it together. This is not how you were raised. This is not what you're about. Like, who do you pretty much like, who do you think you are? And then I realized, like, I guess I got to stop. I got to retire because this is not for me. I'm doing it wrong. Whatever. I didn't even know what right would look like, but I was doing it wrong and I knew it. And, you know, I have a beautiful husband who will always tell me the truth. And he was like, you're doing it wrong. There's some problems here, you know, like this is weird, you know, and so I don't have I didn't have a lot of yes people around me, which was really helpful because I think I thought I was my own best like pump up person. But like everybody else was like, you're acting kind of like a jerk. And I was like, you know, and, and I think for me, what woke me up was like, this isn't who you are like, and I knew it. It was just that I got wrapped up in what was being told to me from the outside world of like, do this now, do this, do that. You know, it's marketing, it's sales, it's like all of it. And none of that's bad if you have your head about you. But I had lost my head, which is, you know, it's hard to admit like everybody wants. I people always want to like left up buffer story of like I'm a good person all the time.
Sarah Tacy [00:29:10]
I don't, I really don't want that story. I don't want that story. I was, you know, it's, it's called threshold moments. And it's often, I feel like so many people, it is often when we get our ***** kicked by the universe and we don't have in those places even the capacity to continue doing what we were doing. Like, it's like maybe the universe tried to tell us or life tried to tell us a number of times before, hey, let's try a different way. And it's like we're like, like you said, it's like we're on this train and. Driving it and we're just going for the ride and then it takes like a train crash sometimes and not always, but sometimes it does. And then my own experience is like, sometimes a reawakening can be really painful.
Licia Morelli [00:29:52]
Yeah.
Sarah Tacy
[00:29:53]
Before it's liberating Before it's liberating, before it's.
Licia Morelli [00:29:56]
And it was painful. It was painful for about 6 years. And I always laugh because like once I was in remission. That's when the grieving.
Sarah Tacy [00:30:04]
Really started. Can you talk about that a little bit? I'm also curious like I, my own experience with grief is like in this world and I, I know it's just my perspective that I often feel like grief is something we want to bypass. We want to go straight to the high vibe and I I'm curious about what grief looked like for you and how you honor that and if it's continuous, if there are waves. Like what is your experience with it even being grief after the remission?
Licia Morelli [00:30:35]
Yeah, that's a great question. And the, the truth of it is that, you know, when I started, I like when we started talking before we started the interview, you said I, I felt like joy was the vibe that you bring, right? And joy is always the word I come back to people always say, like when I work with them or I am in a workshop, that joy is the leading factor. Like even in the sorrow, there's joy. You know, even if I'm giving a hard reading, there's joy, even if it's like you're going through a hard time, joy, right? And so like that was always in my essence. And what happened was, is that in the grief process, I lost all joy. I, like, ripped it down to the studs and was just miserable. I was really unhappy. You know, Jed and I went through a rude awakening in our own marriage. We had to enter into a whole new phase. Like I wasn't sure how he and the kids fit into my life. And there were times where I doubted the structure and scaffolding that we were building on. And thank God for his fortitude because I pretty much was like, yeah, I'm not sure that this is, you know, the right direction. And he was like, yeah, no, like, we're going to figure this out. Like, you're, you're bananas. And so he was really helpful in that. But in my grief, there was lack of joy. And so I became really angry. And I didn't even really know why I was mad, but it was good because what happened was, is I stopped doing what I was doing and I went on to learn so much while I was retired. Like I, I learned how to run companies and I learned how to build businesses and I learned how to use my intuition for all kinds of things that were not in the mystical arts. It was just like, oh, this is great. Like I can help grow and teach others to do things And, and that was really great. But during that whole 6 year. I didn't know I was traumatized from this experience. And my therapist now, which I crack up because she's incredible, but she was my college professor at Naropa, and she's now my therapist 20 years later. And she said to me, you know, Lycia, you can't just think your way out of trauma. Like you got to. Like your body has to move through it and you haven't done it yet. And we've done a lot of work on that, which funnily enough, Sarah, as I came out of that feeling of grief and reclaimed my joy, the little light of flairvoyance and psychic stuff that just started to flicker back on. And I was like, am I going to do this? Yeah. Am I coming out of retirement?
Licia Morelli [00:33:17]
Are people are going to think I'm an idiot? Then I but every but I'd like dip my toe in. I contacted my old clients and I just started to kind of see. But that whole time, it was six years of trying to find my way back to it. And it took, it took a really long time. And I'm still doing it. Like, I'm still like, oh, OK. Like, who? You know, yesterday we were laughing because this full moon is so bananas. But, you know, yesterday was wild. Like I had to release some stuff. And, you know, there was lots of tears. But then I was like, OK, I'm awake to the new iteration. I'm awake to the new piece.
Sarah Tacy [00:33:57]
Yeah, I always find it's fun from the outside to talk about cycles. And I, I love talking about my teachers called it the cycle of awareness. You have your norm, which is like, I'm a psychic and I'm really great at what I do. And people are telling me I'm really great at what I do. I must be special. And this is my norm and my business is growing and it's really great. And then there's an interruption of norm. It might start off with like some people saying like, hey, you're not acting the same or maybe you feel something and but the interruption is like this little itch. And then it could be anything that leads to the bigger things we talked about. And then the chaos and confusion being the next step. And the chaos and confusion is when we try to continue to live life the way we've lived it. But it absolutely like all the tools we have currently are not tools that will get us through. They're not updated and we don't know the way through. And so the chaos and confusion is like, I am going to keep using, I'm going to do what I can. I have to fix this. I have to think my way through. And then the fertile void is when you kind of just like in my experience quite recently too. And I would say my fertile void and chaos and confusion probably was like a seven-year. And when the flickering comes back on, it's so exciting for me when that like emergence. But to not to be in the period of winter. I would like to think with enough spiritual practice that I feel like I'm in winter, I'm going to cozy in with a blanket. I'm going to enjoy my death. It will be a peaceful death. I haven't gotten there yet. And there's no and it's not like, oh, it's three months and you'll be over six years. Yeah, seven years over here. I like to think of it as like a sauerkraut phase. Like you don't need to touch it. There's nothing you can do in the fertile void, right? It's like the cultures are creating themselves. And when you get to the other side and you'll have this, like, great food that has really good gut bacteria. But like in the fertile void, there's actually, it's not a place to use tools. It's just like, oh, maybe I do need space, like right distance from all of my structures, from what we've known as marriage or motherhood or all the things that I might think are connected to the down wave. And thank goodness for those who are stable enough in our lives to stay. Like, I'm not on board with that idea. I'll give you space and support and see if we can make it through this wave. And yeah. So just to finish the cycle, it's then insight and inspiration. Thank God. Thank God.
Licia Morelli [00:36:40]
Thank God the joy comes.
Sarah Tacy [00:36:44]
Back it comes back and integration is the next stage. So that's and that so you how, how do we integrate all that we've been through with the inspiration and then our evolved norm, which then just becomes norm again and the cycle. ******* continues. Continues the evolution. And this is what I want in this podcast to talk about. And I think of that like between that interruption of norm through to the inspiration is that threshold. And I think anyone who follows their heart and then also gets lost to be refound and reborn. I feel like the more we talk about it, the less people will feel alone if they're not just in the happy spot of this is what I created is for the world. And we're all gonna just to know, like.
Sarah Tacy [00:37:33]
Really normal.
Licia Morelli [00:37:35]
It's really normal. And here's the thing we all are too busy feeling. I mean, at least I was feeling so ashamed of myself, you know, like, gosh, I, I didn't see what I was doing right. I didn't have the care and the fortitude to see like I had steered away from my origin of love, right, of joy, of feeling supportive. But the best news is it's like coming back right after that cycle when that inspiration and integration comes. I can for me, and I think for the listeners, think about what you see differently about yourself as you do. Right. Think about how much better you are at what you're doing because you grew up a little. And I think that for me is like, you know, I'm 44 now. So 10 years have gone by and I'm a lot more mature. And I know at 54 I'll be a lot more sure, 6474. But right now I feel like, wow, thank God I went through that because I can hold space. I can help people feel like they belong. I can choose joy over, look, I'm not saying I'm not sad sometimes, but it's like, all right, I gave myself some time to be sad and now I'm choosing joy, like I'm going to find the joy again. And I think that is something that for people listening, we can so quickly go to shame during heartbreak, during grief. I should have done it better. I should have been better. I should be better, right? And I would just challenge the listeners to reframe that and say, what have I learned here? What have I learned here? What have I learned here?
Sarah Tacy [00:39:19]
So my big learning in this time is to call upon friends and to not do it alone because I've, I'm such like, I got this, I got this, I got this. And even like, what am I learning? What am I learning? Gosh, I'm just thinking of layers of support. This morning was hard because my daughter really didn't want to go to school. And I started to say like, yeah, a lot of like a lot of people don't like school. And then I almost started telling the story of like, and we do it anyway. And I was like, wait, that's not the story I want to tell. I wanted to be like, yeah, a lot of people don't like school or having a hard time with a certain part. What layers of support can we get? So you feel more supported as you go through this challenge? Let's get creative. But I feel like even in those hard times, I think so much of it is our culture has normalized that we just got to figure it out by ourselves. This development recently said to me like, yeah, when we feel sad, we feel alone. So not it doesn't have to be when we're alone, we feel sad, but when we feel sad, we feel alone. That's part of trauma Physiology too, right? Yeah. So the practice and repetition and even ritual of reaching out and getting support and getting help, for me, that would be like, my lesson going back or for anyone listening is like, is there any? I mean, it could start with, I've said this before, like, it could start with like the trees as a resource, like being a relationship to nature before a person's safe. Yeah. What? What am I learning?
Licia Morelli [00:40:50]
Yeah, what am I learning?
Sarah Tacy [00:40:52]
I sometimes feel like when I'm in the depths of it, I can't see it yet and like I'm too close to it to see it and like I almost can't see what I'm learning until I'm in like almost on the other side. Then I can go, oh, I thought that's what I was learning. But now that I'm on the other side, like now, I can like, feel and experience what I have learned.
Licia Morelli [00:41:16]
Yes. And I agree. I think if we're thinking though, about consciousness in the moment that we're living, there's a small like what am I learning? I'm worrying, I'm learning I have negative self talk when I'm stressed. When am I learning? I'm learning that I'm sad and therefore I feel alone, right? Not the big lessons, like not the arch, the overarching hero's journey lessons. It's in this moment. How do I treat myself when I am feeling stressed?
Sarah Tacy [00:41:46]
Yeah, I hear you. To me that speaks a little bit of having like some range of capacity or like the tiniest where you're like, oh, I am going through this really hard thing and then asking that question in which we can see it. So we can't. We can see it in microwaves throughout the day and the weeks and the months.
Licia Morelli [00:42:05]
And sometimes you might ask yourself, what am I learning? And you might, you know, tell yourself to go straight to HE double hockey sticks because you don't want to think about it. Like, I mean, I think like we can give ourselves some grace too. And I think those micro check insurance. If we're asking ourselves what am I learning in a moment, then we know that at least we're conscious that we're going through, like you said, we're going through. We don't have to have an answer, but we're at least anchoring into I am not my feelings. I'm having a feeling. I am not my feeling. That's like a whole. I'm certainly not qualified as a therapist to be talking about that, but it's something that I've noticed of like, I'll use the example, building a new business is not easy. I mean, it looks fun. It's super fun, It's great. It's not easy. I'm up at night thinking about things. I'm trying to figure out marketing strategies. I'm feeling like I closed one business to then open a new business and it's terrifying. So it does not feel like the easiest Rd. at times. But then when I say, what am I learning? It's like, well, I'm learning that I know how to do this. I've done it before, I can do it again. What am I learning? I'm learning that the people that have shown up for me already are benefiting. So this means that this is beneficial. Yeah. And I think anybody listening, if you can just get to kind of 1mm past the current emotion, then you can kind of swim out of it a little bit.
Sarah Tacy [00:43:39]
I think what my brain was just able to readjust to and my body can be like, OK, I'm on board, was I've been speaking a little bit to the power of asking a question and that just in asking the question, we might start to see possibilities that we didn't see before. So that sometimes the answer itself, it's less important that the answer comes in the moment, but the power of asking the question 1, you name that. Therefore, we're recognizing that we're in a cycle and that it's not a forever, that there may be some benefit, which might be a little bit grounding and orienting. But for me, I'm, I'm like, what I'm really holding on to from what you just shared was to ask the question. Because then our brain quite literally then opens up to our consciousness being able to see possibilities that it wasn't able to see before when we weren't asking the question. I also think the universe starts to conspire on our behalf to, to, to fulfil something bigger and more beautiful. So thank you for staying with me because I kind of had to like work through that myself. Like, OK, can I can my body? I know it's not about getting on board with it, but yeah, but that was helpful for me.
Licia Morelli [00:44:55]
Well, and I love that piece to it, Sarah, where it's like we don't always have to agree, right? Like we don't know a process agreement does not have to. This is the thing. We all have free will. We get to make choices and decisions every day based on free will. And I am always questioning all of it. And here's why. For exactly the reasons you said. Let me let my brain open up to the idea that how I'm thinking about something may or may not match up to how this person's thinking about something. But where can we connect? Where does the conversation begin? Right. And I think that is also part of that sort of mystical life. When we are questioning things, we open up to possibility, possibility that the person that we're talking to may or may not be right, right. But also possibility that we can create a domino effect in our own life of like yes and or what if? How does that work?
Sarah Tacy [00:46:04]
Yeah, I'm so into curiosity right now. I do remember hearing like clarity is power. And in phases where I didn't have clarity, I'm like, what does powerlessness mean? And is there something? And for right now, it's like this tidal nature that could move between clarity is power in which we feel kind of like stable in a belief that helps us and then curiosity being potential. Clarity is our curiosity is potential. And I could also think that this is where the soul really gets to weave new stories in and where we get to have bigger or richer connections with people when we're staying curious. So it's not necessarily like I agree or I don't agree, just like oh I'm not sure I get that and it's OK if we don't land at the same place. But if I stay curious, I might get more dimensionality to my current perspective.
Licia Morelli [00:47:04]
And what's great is that what may or may not land for us now, month from now, a year from now, two years from now, we might be in a situation where we remained curious of a possibility, right? And then suddenly we're met with something that we can go back into our toolbox and say to ourselves, Oh, that conversation actually makes sense now because of this experience that I'm having here. I didn't shove it out of my mind. I'm now it's, I'm seeing the anchor that was given to me, but it was given to me a long time ago. And I, I didn't necessarily understand it. This always happens in a reading. I'm always telling people, like something may not land for you, but then like 6 months from now, you'll be doing something. You'll be like, no way. Yeah. And it's so true. And so that's and I think if there's anything in day-to-day conversation for all of us in this sense of belonging that we create community in curiosity because we're not always going to agree and we shouldn't agree all the time. Like that's not real. It would. Be very boring. So boring, so boring, and we have to be able to have hard conversations. It enriches the fabric of our soul. Like to be able to say I disagree and I'm going to talk to you about it.
Sarah Tacy [00:48:31]
Right. I often think about why communal living hasn't really been sustained and how there are aspects of communal living that many people desire. Like if you're raising kids, it'd be like, I could really use a community of people with one person who definitely specializes in being around kids and another person specializes in cooking. And another person who loves to be a healer or is a healer and another person who, you know, that we could all have our specialty. And then like we, we share these responsibilities. And I think the reason why we now live more in boxes, in our individual boxes, our individual homes, our individual cars, our individual computer screens, it would take, it takes so much communication. It's, it's like the thing we need most is connection and that being who we truly are and the way that might come up against somebody else's wound. And just like it's really deep, mindful, continuous work. And studies show like we live longer when we're in community and it's hard. It's really hard, you know.
Licia Morelli [00:49:40]
Yeah, it's really hard. Everybody wants to feel like they have community. They don't want to feel so isolated. They don't want to feel so alone. They want to feel like they belong.
Sarah Tacy [00:49:48]
And so sharing a bit in community for me does give me that sense of there's more, there's a broader perspective, there's things I couldn't have known if I didn't stop to listen. And I'm not alone. If you're curious about somatic exploration or nervous system support, you can check out the link below to make a connection call. If you're feeling serious about it or truly curious you can do a one off session. And because this work, especially in relationship to the nervous system is small doable pieces over time, I would consider thinking about A1 month, 2 month, or three month period of time that you might dedicate towards nervous system support. Again, you can start with a smaller step of a connection call. If it's calling you, can you say a little bit about how the moon is orienting to you or how what you get from it?
Licia Morelli [00:51:02]
Yeah, as a doer and an action oriented person, I think a lot of teaching talks about, you know, the moon is the new moon is all about going inward, reflecting, taking time. The full moon is all about action, being outward, doing right. I struggle with the new moon slowness and inwardness because I too want to get things done. But what I've always told people with the moon phases is it doesn't mean stop doing things, right? If you're like in the new moon or the quarter waxing moon where it's like moving towards full, you still can do things, but the expectation of results should be minimal. You're laying the groundwork. Any action you're taking in those first two weeks of the phases of new moon and quarter waxing moon, you're laying the groundwork, You're planting the seeds. So you're still doing things, you're still taking action, but it's slower, it's more inward, it's more thoughtful, contemplative, but it's still happening. And then results come at the second part with the full moon in the quarter, waning moon, right? Then you're getting results. Things start to speed up. What happened for me was that I would get so frustrated during the new moon and quarter waning moon. I'd be like, nothing's happening. I'm taking all of this action and nothing is happening. And then all of a sudden at the full moon, it was like a slingshot. Everything I had done in the first two weeks was now starting to take shape in the last two weeks. And I was like, oh, right. And So what I always tell people is that we can still be doers and we can still be action takers, and we can give ourselves space and ease and grace. But knowing that we can let go of the expectation of results with the new moon in the corner, waning moon, and we can let go of the expectation of manifestation during the full moon, right? Like, we can let go of what we think should happen, but we can still take action accordingly, knowing that we aren't going to be held back by, you know, we don't need to shut down during the new moon.
Sarah Tacy [00:53:02]
Right now in in my mind, I have this like very successful business person who has crushed it and they've never known anything about the moon. And they're like, I have done great without knowing anything about the moon. And what I'm thinking is that there is a chance that during the times where, you know, you're talking about laying the groundwork or you're trying to get something out. And I've never followed astrology super close. But then when I started talking to Jen Rasiopi, I'm like, wait a second, how do you know this about me and my friends and. Coming and like her ability to both name the past and energies of like what's to come. So then how might we in our own celestial constellation, make up best work with what's to come? And to me, it's the difference probably between working harder than you have to and getting things done and working in most alignment with what is so that we don't have to like, push as hard. Like we're not swimming against the current, but we're kind of like backstroken with the current.
Licia Morelli [00:54:13]
Yes, yeah. And I would argue that the person that's wildly successful, that's paid no attention to the moon at all, imagine what would happen if they did.
Sarah Tacy [00:54:23]
Yeah.
Licia Morelli [00:54:24]
Or maybe they're so embodied they just naturally know, like today is a pause. I would imagine this person is very embodied. Like now I'm going to pause, now I'm going to move, now I'm going to pause, now I'm going to move. And they're probably doing it without knowing that they're doing it with the moon energy.
Sarah Tacy [00:54:42]
I appreciate that. I feel like I'm often like, so I think I'm very in tune with my body that I'm adjusting that way. So I appreciate it being said that way. And the other option for the Super successful person who hasn't paid attention to the noon, it's like we're if we're measuring success in their business, what does your body look like? What does your body feel like? What are your relationships like? So are you pushing so hard to have that success in your business that like the, you know, the whole picture isn't really being included in the word success?
Licia Morelli [00:55:19]
Yeah.
Sarah Tacy [00:55:20]
Yeah, yeah.
Licia Morelli [00:55:21]
And that's one thing I was meditating on actually. It's funny that you bring that up because I think, you know, I'm a business owner. I have a five year plan, right? And what I realized recently was that I'm excited to remove blocks to financial abundance. I'm excited to remove blocks to visibility and I'm excited to remove time blocks. So I have enough time to be with my family and friends and have that that three, my mother always talks about the three legged stool, right? And So what I find interesting is that we can get into driver mode so quickly where we're just driving, driving, driving to 1 ounce of success. But when we realize that success actually is a whole form, it's our, it's our community, it's, you know, whatever our business schools are. And it's this sort of idea of eyeballs on, right? We need eyeballs on. So for all the entrepreneurs out of there, like think about what that feels like for you, you know, that that's differing numbers. But when we're thinking about success and we're thinking about the moon phases, the full moon, if you go outside and you look and you can in the dead of winter can see the trees aglow because the moon is so bright, you can see the grass blades. Like you could go on a full on hike up a mountain. That's pretty spectacular, right?
Sarah Tacy [00:56:46]
Yeah.
Licia Morelli [00:56:48]
But that's not all that we have. So we also have the darkness, we have the inward, we have the cozy, and that's the inside. That's the make sure you're making time for your family and friends. Phase, you know. The new moon, like make sure you're going, you're having a candle at dinner, make sure you're doing some sort of intention setting right. This is what happens when we start to look at it like what is missing? If I'm always in full moon mode, I'm going to burn right out.
Sarah Tacy [00:57:13]
When Carl Jung visited villages that didn't have the same technology that he came from and he noticed that what his society would have considered superstitious, he said wow In these cultures that are living moment to moment, there isn't science and superstition. There is a place where they both live and weave in that create an existence that help them stay alive. So if they were to trip over something, it's not like, oh, that's bad luck, but it is a sign that today is not the day to go out and track a lion, right? Just like you could take your oar ring and the oar ring might be like, oh, your readiness is only a 54, but they would know, oh, this is not right. So it's like there was this overlap. And I feel like your talent as a business owner, creator, copywriter, you were working with a mutual friend of ours and really helped her like build this incredible business with the copy you choose your understand of the way I understand it from, you know, third person perspective out here and structure. A lot of people think as you just named, it's like either or you're either a mystical person who's just like wishing something into existence or which is to play something down or like amping up this other side as you put, you have this ability to weave them in to give you the most potent form, I think of what's possible and possibly a beautiful, well-rounded life where all of you gets to exist.
Licia Morelli [00:58:52]
Yeah, that's exactly it. That's that is our wish for the world. Yay. Thank.
Sarah Tacy [00:58:59]
You so much thank you for. Coming. You're such a joy and so fun and fulfilling to talk to you.
Licia Morelli [00:59:07]
No, I'm so grateful to be here. Thank you to everybody who's listening. It's, it's really been such a, a stunner to be here. It's always so fun to talk to you and I'm just so grateful.
Sarah Tacy [00:59:26]
Thank you for tuning in, it's been such a pleasure. If you're looking for added support, I'm offering a program that's totally free called 21 Days of Untapped Support. It's pretty awesome. It's very easy, it's very helpful. You can find it at sarahtacy.com. And if you love this episode, please subscribe. And like, apparently it's wildly useful. So we could just explore what happens when you Scroll down to the bottom, subscribe rate, maybe say a thing or two. If you're not feeling it, don't do it. It's totally fine. I look forward to gathering with you again. Thank you so much.