107 - Maura Moynihan: Participating in the Call of Your Heart
“Everything can be used as a portal inward and into the infinite. When we begin to get curious and lean in, providence meets us right there and the veil lifts.”
Dr. Maura Moynihan is a chiropractor, cranial sacral practitioner, and Revelation Breathwork teacher. She coaches women to consciously create the next chapter of their life — using everything that they are dealing with as an invitation inward where the wisdom resides.
In this conversation, we discuss:
The sacred vulnerability of friendship
Staying with fear and discomfort
Finding new ways to pray
Receiving care through co-creatorship
The surprising things that breathwork can unlock
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Episode Transcript
Sarah Tacy [00:00:06]:
Hello, welcome. I'm Sarah Tacy and this is Threshold Moments, a podcast where guests and I share stories about the process of updating into truer versions of ourselves. The path is unknown and the pull feels real. Together we share our grief, laughter, love and life saving tools. Join Us.
Sarah Tacy [00:00:52]:
Hello, welcome to Threshold Moments. Today we have with us Dr. Maura Moynihan. We met a handful of years ago at a cross pollination event and since then we've overlapped a number of times. And what continues to draw me to her is something that feels deeply grounded and wildly light. There is a glow to her like a sunshine. And in this episode, especially as we get into sticking with something that one might want to run to and what happens when we stayed a little longer and what happens when we pray from a place of hope, wholeness instead of separateness, I find myself still just more intrigued to know her. I found myself after the call wanting to sign up for a one on one with her, to possibly see a certain part of my life through a different lens than I can see it and feel it now. I will give you a little bio that I'm drawing from her website and I am, as I read her story, going to see her. What I can give you of an official bio because her bio on her website is in story form, which I love. She speaks about being a chiropractor and a cranial sacral practitioner and how people would come to her. But what she would see over and over again was that there was the soul speaking through codes, that there was love that wanted to come through.
Sarah Tacy [00:02:24]:
And after having these big degrees she went back to school to get her master's in spiritual psychology with an emphasis on consciousness, health and healing. This was in 2011. At this time she was pregnant with her third son. She has four in total and her career was focused on supporting family wellness, specializing in pregnancy and pediatrics. The longer she worked on bodies, the more she experienced how bodies were always communicating. Loving Guidance this reminds me right when I say the body is a no BS gps, how every symptom held a love note, how every diagnosis was a portal inward. And when she began to add revelation breath work into the sessions, she saw how every time the pain was felt fully, there was a piece of guidance that would come through every time. In 2021, after a series of life events and death events, she and her husband Jason moved their family from their beautiful life in LA to Blue Ridge Mountains.
Sarah Tacy [00:03:38]:
In this place, her life slowed down enough to fully focus on coaching women to consciously create the next chapter of their life for them to use everything that they are dealing with as an invitation inward where the wisdom resides and the knowing of the next step is beginning to be ushered into the dreams held in this current moment. Currently she offers one on one packages, Moonrise mentorship, a nine month package, and in person three day intensives, revelation breathwork, facilitator training, and spiral group coaching which she offers a few times a year. So all of that to be said, that is her official bio. I do not reread it. I go directly in. We go directly in. And I will just say that this conversation was a delight and I just really look forward to to overlapping with Mora again and again and again in this lifetime. Hello and welcome to Threshold Moments.
Sarah Tacy [00:04:57]:
Today we have with us Dr. Mora Moynihan. And I was saying to Mora before we got on that there are some times where I may be reading, you know, somebody's book ahead of time or like going through every element of their website and that sometimes that feels like a way of falling in love with someone before I work with them. But also I feel like I've had that opportunity over the years, somewhat from a distance, but weaving in and out of proximity here and there to just like fall in love with what you bring. And so much of it is your energy. Also your meme reels. And so I was saying to her that this feels a little bit like flying by the seat of my pants. And in that I'm just really feeling like our purpose here today together is to be in flow, to see what arises.
Sarah Tacy [00:05:57]:
And I just have a feeling like there may be laughter and insight and storytelling. And selfishly, I'm just like really here for that.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:06:08]:
Oh my gosh, Sarah, like, I so honored that we get to free flow together. And I completely feel the same way about you. I remember when I first met you at Kate's cross pollination dinner and I was like, who is that? I want to get to know this woman. So, yeah, your. Your lighthouse being really called me, as.
Sarah Tacy [00:06:34]:
You say, that I can remember the dress I was wearing, the sweater. That location was my father's business that he had recently sold. And it was like just kind of coming out of COVID like one of the, you know, maybe two or three years out of it where we would. Like being in a circle of humans was somewhat new and I was coming out of a really hard phase in life. And so I remember being in that circle with such vulnerability as each person's like, my name is this. This is what I do in the world. I was like, my name is Sarah. I'm crawling out of a cave, and that's where I am today.
Sarah Tacy [00:07:16]:
I don't know how much more I said, but it was like, it just felt so vulnerable to be there as authentically as I could be. And I was looking for layers of support. So that was why I can remember, like, a sweater. Did they have, like, hot water with lemon? Cause I was a little cold, and I was like, am I shaky because I'm nervous or am I cold? And so I was just like, okay, I'm gonna take my shoes off, so my feet are on the ground. But I remember really having to resource myself that night because I wasn't able to be there with complete ease.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:07:50]:
Wow. I really appreciate hearing that now because I really felt your intentionality, like, your authenticity and how you were able to stay with your vulnerability was so felt. So, yeah, I really acknowledge that you were willing to put yourself in that place and stay day. And, yeah, I received something from you being there in the way that you were.
Sarah Tacy [00:08:19]:
Thanks for saying that was a vulnerable night for some reason. And then I got to spend time with you. The next day. In Kate's mastermind, we did the ocean dip. Some breathing, some somatic exercises that were super slow paced. And so that was all. All such a blessing to be with you and that group that many of you are still together in really deep, intimate ways.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:08:45]:
Yeah. What a North Star for so many relationships that I'm currently in and investing in and receiving from. But I totally forgot about that. That cold plunge that you did, that was so impactful as well, because I was used to, like, running in and running out, and you're like, oh, and now we're just gonna breathe. We're just gonna.
Sarah Tacy [00:09:09]:
We're gonna stay with the vulnerability. Maybe that was the underlying theme.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:09:16]:
Very impactful. That was really awesome.
Sarah Tacy [00:09:20]:
So the quote that I pulled up from one of your websites, and this is where I'm like, oh, I'm so excited to jump off here, because I know it's nice to start light and dive in, but we're just. You're just going for it. You say everything can be used as a portal inward and into the infinite. When we begin to get curious and lean in, Providence meets us right there, and the veil lifts. And I'm wondering if you can tell us about a time in your life where you were using it as a portal, or perhaps it happened and then it was like, okay, the only way to move this, to move with it, to move through it, is to lean in and then if there is anything on the other side where you're like, and this particular veil lifted, this was.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:10:18]:
What I was thinking about. I was wondering if I was going to share this with you today. And here it is. So I felt, feel as though. Well, the example that I want to use that was very recent is my relationship with my perception of safety and how deeply wired it had been in my subconscious that it was like I wasn't even able to see what was real and what was my narrative and my perception. And so I have four boys, four almost young men, most of them are young men. And so I have one son in particular who's 17 and he has always been my spirited child. He has been my impetus for tremendous surrender, growth and acceptance and reckoning with my fear.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:11:11]:
And he's participating in like very normal, appropriate 17 year olds behaviors. And so that's why it's been so apparent that oh actually I'm not relating to him, I'm relating to my fear. That's the veil that I'm grappling with that I'm suffering from that I'm like actually not seeing him fully. I'm, I'm being met with my material that is coming up for me to feel. So I'm just gonna be, I'm gonna take class from Sarah and be totally vulnerable. I, for my whole life have had nightmares about drowning. And so before I had children it would be my brothers and it would be this horrible experience where I'd wake myself up because it would be terrible. And then once I started having children, it shifted to my children drowning, Terrible, awful, like the worst.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:12:04]:
And I didn't realize this all coincides at the same time that it wasn't about the dream, it was about like my subconscious inviting me to stay with myself when I was afraid and build capacity around that. And so my 17 year old son again is 17. He's a beautiful human and he's having opportunities to be a beautiful 17 year old human and explore. And I recently had an experience of waking myself up out of my sleep because I just kept on having a nightmare of him drowning. It was about like the fourth time that night where I was like, hold up, wait a minute, what if instead of waking myself up to the best of my ability, I can just stay? I don't know, maybe that's possible. Let me just see what's here. And so sure enough, I went back to sleep and I had another nightmare and I didn't leave. I just was like, okay, can I just be here? Can I be Present, can I stay? And it was a terrible dream.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:13:20]:
However, the next morning, I was like, something shifted inside of myself. I am not afraid. Afraid of feeling afraid is essentially what happened. And since then, his behavior has not changed on the outside, but my internal experience of seeing what's actually happening has shifted profoundly on the inside. Intellectually, prior to this experience, I would be like, he's fine. He's 17. How can, like, bypassing this wellspring of energy of my life force within myself that I was trying to avoid innocently, and now I'm able to be present in a way that I wasn't.
Sarah Tacy [00:14:08]:
Wow. I feel like our growth and our ability to change patterns often happens in that place where we can stay a little longer. Now, having said that, there are people who have a whole lifetime of bypassing and staying longer than they want to, but it's like, then the discomfort is leaving, and then it's like staying with the discomfort that you left, right? But in this situation, to be able to stay with the fear and stay with the discomfort of the most horrific thing, going through that on that place and that plane, to me, it sounds like the energy of it transmuted. So when I think about, like, a dream that happens over and over again, but you leave before it comes to completion. In trauma work, in somatic trauma work, often the thought is that there are unfinished, energetic movements. So often it's like a push or the ability to run away that didn't fulfill itself in that traumatic event. That ability to have choice, the choice that, like, to stay all the way through and let the energy move all the way through and. And otherwise it starts stacking and stacking and stacking somatically.
Sarah Tacy [00:15:22]:
And so I think what I'm hearing is that as you stayed in that dream, the stacking got to release totally.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:15:30]:
And I'm seeing the ripple effects in so many other areas, too, where I was blinded to it. So I have a family history and a personal history of melanoma. And I had noticed something on my body start to shift. And I. Prior to this dream thing, I was like, recognizing it, but I was leaving like, I was talking myself out of it. I was just unable to be with the fear that was coming up. And then naturally, when I be with the fear of the unknown, I took appropriate action and, like, made an appointment and whatnot. But it was so.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:16:16]:
It was just everywhere. I didn't recognize that it was this filter on my ability to see clearly. That was everywhere. And I went to the doctor this week, actually, and it's on this little spot on my third eye that appeared, and I was like, well, that feels either terrifying or like some sort of an anointing. And it wasn't. It's not a skin thing. It's a vascular thing. And I'm bringing this up because when the doctor told me that it was, you know, it was a vascular thing, and it was totally normal, and just to keep an eye on it, I told her.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:16:55]:
I was like, okay, so I'm gonna cry now. And the doctor was like, oh, no, don't cry. Like, no, no, you're fine. And it was really sweet and wonderful. I was like, oh, no, I'm. I'm definitely gonna cry. And this is good. But it does feel like just something ordinary, in a sense, just opened up so much permission to be with these places inside that I learned how to manage or get away from or perform, etc.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:17:29]:
And it's like, no, just like being with these areas inside that at one time felt so overwhelming just lends me to be more present and make decisions that are actually common sense and follow this trajectory of so much more ease. I don't actually have to push when I just create more to the best of my ability, capacity to just meet myself with rising.
Sarah Tacy [00:17:58]:
When you were pointing here and you said my third eye, I was writing see clearly. As you wrote it, I was writing see clearly. And. And that idea. You also said the filter of being able to see clearly. And it reminds me of when you said lifting the veil. Right. Like that.
Sarah Tacy [00:18:19]:
It literally lifts the veil, takes out the things. And when things are so close to us, or if there is a fog over it, whatever the fog is, it is what we assume to be truth and neutral. This is the neutral truth. And then you can shift something which may seem minor, staying with a dream. And when those layers. What it seems to me, layers release from the body, then everything that you see, you see differently. So beautiful. I'm wondering, the next quote that I pulled from you.
Sarah Tacy [00:18:56]:
Don't worry, I'm not gonna just keep reading your quotes back to you. It's not actually a quote. It was. You were talking about the new way that you pray. Did this come before or after that?
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:19:06]:
Yeah, before this. This experience that I just had with my son was this summer. So it's been.
Sarah Tacy [00:19:13]:
This is like I was yesterday years old.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:19:17]:
Exactly.
Sarah Tacy [00:19:18]:
When the veil lifted.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:19:21]:
Yeah. You know, I was raised in a very religious Catholic upbringing, and I'm so grateful for that stability of knowing how to tune in to. I really highly identify or connect with Mother Mary, and that Was so. So how do I want to say this? Basically, I have such a great foundation of the things that bring me solidly connected to the divine within. And then the other stuff it's easy to just let go of. But when it comes to prayer, I've found a tremendous inspiration from the authority, Joel Goldsmith. I love how he really encourages one to. As opposed to pray to an outside divine source for something that my intellect thinks would be a great idea or my ego thinks would be preferred.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:20:30]:
He definitely encourages one to just reside in the curiosity and the feeling tone of the infinite, like the allness, the creative expression. Expression. That whole intent is to experience itself in all these different forms, to remember who it is. And so then when I bring myself into that realm of possibility, into that realm of knowingness, automatically I come in with a level of surrender. Like, I don't know what's best, but I know that when I am here, I have far more curiosity and far more faith than if I'm coming in as my own singular identity of, like, preferences and desires and wanting, which is limited.
Sarah Tacy [00:21:24]:
That sounds so clarifying and, like, such a relief.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:21:28]:
Such a relief where it's like, we don't know.
Sarah Tacy [00:21:32]:
I read Joe Dispenza's book. I think it's called Breaking the Habit of being yourself, maybe 15 years ago. And I just know it was before I had Sophia, when I was still living in Long island, so it had to be over 10 years ago, at least. And I remember feeling really anxious reading the book because I may have misinterpreted it, but at the time that I read it, I thought, oh, shoot, I'm the one who's supposed to figure out what I want and then change. Because at that point, and I would still say now, I was so dependent on having an impulse come or an image and then be like, oh, shoot, that sounds scary, but the image won't leave. So now this is the thing I'm going to fulfill. Like, that was kind of the way I was guided into everything I did. And so as I read and I thought, like, well, how am I going to know if this is ego or if this is soul? I started getting like, ah, I'm not sure I completed it.
Sarah Tacy [00:22:28]:
I think I had to put it down. And I know it's. I know he's been such a saving grace to so many people, and I'm sure there's so much I can learn there. But in that interpretation and in that way, I felt more anxious because I thought I was the one who was supposed to have the answer. And when I feel like I'm following something, it's scary, but also such a relief. And that's why sometimes when people are like, well, what's your intention for taking this course, Mike? I don't know. I just got called to it, and I signed up, and I don't even know what's happening today. And I like that with, like.
Sarah Tacy [00:23:06]:
A lot of times, if I go to my journal and I start with, like, dear God, Goddess, Mother, Mary, Jesus, divine, knowing, you know, whoever I'm. And I come with all of the confusion and the ways that I think things are supposed to happen and they're not. The way they're reflected back is so helpful for me because it generally has nothing to do with what I think the problem is.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:23:33]:
I love what you're pointing towards, and I also love that you had the recognition where it's like, this piece of material, this philosophy might be really awesome. And at this point in time, my being is saying, absolutely not. Because I think that I believe that our culture is so ambitious, driven, and it is completely solely operating out of this misunderstanding that we're separate from source in a high extent where it's like, it's on me to figure it out. It's on my willpower, it's on my capacity, it's on my level of consciousness. It's on my. And that's. That's not true. And when we believe that and we're operating from that, it's just, like, fosters even more of the misunderstanding of separation, which, honestly, is kind like, that pain of believing that we're separate is the only way to get our attention, to break us free out of that misunderstanding.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:24:32]:
But, yeah, And I think that when it comes to, like, being so driven and ambitious, it can really short circuit us out of the potentiality of just being devoted to your point. You're like, I don't know. But I am so devoted to my experience of listening to my heart. I'm so devoted to my experience of living the fullness that I have access to that it doesn't actually even matter where this goes. It's just me merely participating in the call of my heart that, like, I've won. Mm.
Sarah Tacy [00:25:09]:
Yeah. And with that, I could say, like, and I might still have these goals, but it's like. But it's like, I am still showing. I don't actually know if. If they're gonna happen.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:25:18]:
I love what you're saying, because I. It doesn't mean that we can't have our human experience and have desires and goals. It just also means that, like, that's a part of the game. It's like, we're gonna continue to have these desires and goals just for the pure joy of being human. But it doesn't mean that we're like, successful or, like, fulfilled or it's just like, yeah, we get to be here and practice this and try this on. And that in and of itself can be an act of devotion when it's done, where it's like, holy smokes, I get to be Sarah. I get to have these gifts and I get to have these shadow aspects and I get to, like, follow this. How cool is that? As opposed to so much of what we're taught.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:26:01]:
Like, oh, you'll be successful when. Or you'll be worthy when. Or you'll feel satisfied when you achieve something which is so suffering.
Sarah Tacy [00:26:11]:
It's so suffering. I am really in a space right now where I'm choosing to keep my deadline, which in the past I've changed so many deadlines and that's been so freeing. And now as I'm doing this opting out of urgency thing, I had a night where I'm like, am I feeling urgent about opting out of urgency? And it was so great. Cause I was up at 1:30 in the morning. I was at a retreat and I was like, I. I shouldn't. I don't know if I can participate in this retreat. I have so much work to do.
Sarah Tacy [00:26:39]:
And then I woke up at 1:30 in the morning and was like, hands on the heart, trying to breathe longer on the exhale. And at 2:30 I was like, oh, this energy wants to move. My body knows, like, my body knows to get something done right now. And so I just followed my body. And I also promised my body too. I was like, and if you're tired in the middle of the day, I will nap. And I went out to the car and I wrote for like two and a half hours.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:27:07]:
What?
Sarah Tacy [00:27:08]:
I had a roommate. So I had to like, you know, sneak out with my little bag into the rain. And so there was something about urgency where it's like, oh, I get to have the crucible. Like, I get to have the part that is going to help me to refine and the part that's going to help me focus. And my choice is that I'm going to stick with it. And my other choice is that within the retreat, I'm going to opt out the first day to be in the workshops and I'm going to step aside and write. And my friend was like, well, before you leave, can you lead us in a grounding exercise?
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:27:40]:
Sure.
Sarah Tacy [00:27:41]:
And so I do that, and I feel better, right? Like, I already feel better because, like, I'm doing this practice, and then I hit a writer's block, and somebody comes in. They're like, hey, there's a breathwork thing happening. Are there any extra yoga mats in here? I was like, no, but I'd love to join the breathwork. So we do breath work followed by skinny dipping. And I get right, and it's like, if there was urgency without agency, I'd say, I can't do any of that. I can't leave this room, and I can't have pleasure until I'm done. But to have the agency of, like, oh, I can pendulate between this type of devotion and devotion to feeling good before it's over. And in that energy, clearly moved.
Sarah Tacy [00:28:23]:
Right. Like you. I would love to talk about your breathwork soon, too. With the breath work I didn't have. You know, I love to be the person who's like, I had the vision. The thing showed up. No visions that I could. Yeah.
Sarah Tacy [00:28:36]:
Everyone's like, oh, and then this happened in an orgasm. And I'm like, well, I'm with the fact that I didn't have any of that. But energy moved, and the retreat was so beautiful because I got to just keep pendulating between tucking away in writing, having communal meals. There was a song circle at night around the fire. The second or third night, we had a silent disco, and to go like, oh, I get to have pleasure now. And that gets to be part of the process. And so before I got on with you, I was also like, oh, I'm gonna sit outside and just, like, look through some more of your stuff. But I'm gonna do it outside, laying on the ground, like, I don't have to be in my office.
Sarah Tacy [00:29:15]:
And so I'm playing more with that pendulation of, like, I don't have to wait until it's all done to go do something that feels great. I don't have to wait for the pleasure until the program's over, until I get launch numbers back or until it's like, this gets to be part of it, and then it feeds what comes through me. And so I don't think this is the first time in my life, but it might be, like, this might be the first time in my life where I've really pendulated this much between the amount of pleasure and friendship and gatherings that I'm doing, while I also have a really tight container of quite a number of things to quote unquote, do get done complete. It feels really good and a little scary.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:30:02]:
But I mean, first of all, so many goosebumps hearing you say this. And in my going through my filtered system, like how rooted you are as the vessel you're receiving, it's not on your doing, it's your availability to receive is really what I'm hearing. And it's like what actually is on you. But a willingness to show up and be present. And even what we're doing here today, just being like, let's just see what happens. It's such a testament to your faith in how you know things work with you and enjoying it and like flowing with it. It's. This is very inspiring for me to hear just how you're adding.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:30:48]:
You're opening up to receiving more and more pleasure that's like established that like you're not cultivating and curating, you're just saying I'm just allowing. Yes, yes.
Sarah Tacy [00:30:59]:
Well, I just feel like you're kind of like. I feel like I've become the guest on this podcast. And so thank you. Because I'm having all of these like. So the craziest thing is I was doing a Values Rising session with Tel Darden and at the end of, you know, having told my stories and then like tried to cut them apart and put the pieces that go together. One of my last pages was like, if society was healthy, we wouldn't need nervous system work in this way, right? Like, we would drum together, we would dance together, we would breathe together, we would braid hair, we would have communal meals, we would. And I listed all these things and I was like, wait a second. If I was healthy, right? Like the microcosm, macrocosm.
Sarah Tacy [00:31:38]:
And so I'm like. Cause in all my stories there's an element of dance and there's. And so there was this thing of like, I thought I was showing up to support Laura Sprinkle in this effort that she's put together to put this. And I thought it was a networking event and part of me would feel like overwhelmed by meeting too many new people because there are so many great people to keep up with anyway. And so I thought I was going there to support her. And at first I was like, I'm so proud of you because she got the most amazing heart centered people. There was no hierarchy within a network event. It was like so much embodiment, so much clarity, amazing business clarity with these people and questions.
Sarah Tacy [00:32:18]:
And it went from, I'm so Proud of you to. Wow. Thank you. Thank you. And like, there have been so many times this year that I have put down things that I thought I would have to create. I was gonna create a retreat called Juice this summer and I was like, I'm just gonna do things for myself that feel juicy instead of thinking I have to, like, create it for others. And then I went to Laura's event. I literally ended up.
Sarah Tacy [00:32:42]:
This elder in our community was there and I ended up standing next to her and she handed me her other drum. We end up, like, doing a drumming circle and like drumming on each person's body and like having, you know, and the dance, like, everything that was on that list was part of this retreat. And I just got to show up. And so I've had this experience over and over again of putting things down, not expecting anyone else to do it for me, but just like, oh, I'm just going to put this down. And then getting to receive it and where I want to go from there. Is that as you were discussing, like, how you have this access to the Divine, I was noticing in my values rising thing is that as I prepare for something, I do think it's all on me. Usually, like, I've got the message, but now it's my turn to research and my turn to weave opposite theories and my turn to take things that don't look like they go together and like, how do they weave? And so just hearing you reflect back to me since. Since you.
Sarah Tacy [00:33:50]:
So I'm say we're co creating the space here.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:33:52]:
Yeah.
Sarah Tacy [00:33:53]:
Is helping me to see a little bit and like, feel a little bit of like, wow. All these things I didn't have to put together that I got to receive. And that even in the preparation this time I'm like really feeling this in my body. Even in the preparation this time, I got to be in the co creatorship. Usually I feel the co creatorship when I'm presenting. I feel it with the other people's bodies and with like a divine intelligence coming through. So I feel the channel when I'm presenting. And so thank you.
Sarah Tacy [00:34:24]:
Because I'm starting to see how the possibility of tuning into co creatorship with Divine and something more during preparation. I didn't used to think that was possible.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:34:37]:
Oh, how exciting and how liberating. Right. Where it's like, yeah, but I think that what I'm receiving and how you're sharing that, Sarah, is it's like with the best intent. Our intellect can totally get in the way.
Sarah Tacy [00:34:51]:
Right.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:34:51]:
If we think that it's on us, then we're like, well, it has to be. And that what I love in what you were sharing is like, I'm putting things down. I'm creating space so that I can get out of the way so I can really allow it through my unique design, the way that it's going to channel through me that people who are attracted to my program want to hear it through me. So there's more space for that to occur. And it's not coming from like trying to figure it out or trying to make it good, which is such great intent, but it's really when it all comes down to it. And what I'm hearing you practice currently is like, how can I just show up, be a willing participant, but also recognize that there's something far more wise that's orchestrating all of this. Like, what an awesome example for you to be like Juicy, like a retreat for Juicy. And I'm going to participate in it.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:35:47]:
Like I'm in the mystery. It's not, doesn't have to be on me, but I, I'm getting these cues that it's up ahead. That's so awesome.
Sarah Tacy [00:35:56]:
I did not want to skip to this until, like, my last question because I want to ask you about breath work and I want to ask you about being, you know, a chiropractor and cranial sacral in your practice. But as we're in this together, I'm wondering what your program is in October, because I'm also wondering if there's any coaching in it or if it's separate from that or if it's a breath work. Because I'm realizing that just sitting with you, that I feel more awareness about my own process, about parts that are already my strengths and parts that I can lean into and things that I didn't know were there. So just in being in conversation with you, I am imagining how powerful it would be to have you as a facilitator or as somebody that someone checks in with. And so I know this is early perhaps in the conversation to go there, but can you tell me about what you're offering?
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:36:51]:
Yeah, I would love to. So this inspiration has been built and been gestating within me for probably three years. And so it's a seven month program and the, the structure is the seven chakras. But essentially it is a mystery school in essence, where there's an objective at the end, there is a design desire, there is a goal, there's an outward direction that we point ourselves in. And the program is about feeding ourselves throughout it and that being the fuel to motivate, to channel, to break us more open in regards to becoming the level of consciousness that not only can birth this desire, but can sustain it and also be the impact of our life and on others that we. That really is a part of the calling. And so there's tears, but there's two in person retreats and there are group calls and there is one on one. Absolutely.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:37:57]:
This is my favorite thing in the world because what I notice is we just need an invitation to be like, you know what if I got my shit together, I would finally like write the book or I would finally like train for the marathon and like having a container to be seen and supported and also to witness other people like meet themselves in their life and be deeply impacted is the most simple, ordinary, greatest miracle that we can do and be really encouraged when we forget, when we don't see all the aspects that we are actually carrying and alchemizing. It's one of the greatest things. So it's actually starting in November. Cause I was like thinking about retreats and times of year, so November through June. And I'm so excited, I'm so excited.
Sarah Tacy [00:38:50]:
For you and for the participants. And I have a few more questions.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:38:54]:
Oh yeah, Bring it.
Sarah Tacy [00:38:55]:
Okay, so seven chakras and they do they come in ahead of time with.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:39:00]:
A goal each month is part of the structure that we like lean into. So it's part of the contemplation of having a reference where it's like, maybe your husband isn't the problem. Chakra is actually calling out to you for you to meet what's yours and just to like really be like. If this vessel that I live in holds everything that I am desiring, that holds the codes and that the energy for this call of my heart. How can I not only take 100% responsibility for my perception and my liberation, but I like having like a structure that can be referred to.
Sarah Tacy [00:39:44]:
Yeah, I love that. How does your work as a chiropractor, a cranial sacral therapist, a businesswoman, spiritual psychology, how does that all weave in as you're. I mean, I would just imagine like the depth from which you touch into each chakra would be. The word velvet just came up to me, like so velvety, so textured. Like so textured and dynamic and full. I'm also seeing like a web, like a 3D web. Can you say a little bit about how those.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:40:22]:
Yeah, that reminds me of fashion. But you know, I don't practice bodywork anymore with the exception of Going back to LA twice a year for old patients. But my specialty was pregnancy and pediatrics. And so supporting women, moving through the transition of making space for more life or being embodied and being with the contraction and being with the expansion and being in the unknown translates into everything that I do. But my experience working with the form and placing hands on another person where they're holding pain and being with them as memories emerge or as emotions come forward, it solidifies all of my work where it's just the continuing to meet ourselves. Because we're not actually ever experiencing outside of ourselves. We are only experiencing what's arising and being presented from within ourselves. So whatever pain or emotion or numbness is what we're experiencing and how empowering that is.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:41:35]:
And then when we're like, oh, when that translates into birthing, like a business expansion or something, it's like, no, I'm actually. I'm not experiencing building a funnel. I'm experiencing my unresolved anxiety. Like, I can. That. That's me. That's me. Like, I'm not experiencing a client not saying signing up.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:41:57]:
I'm experiencing, like, my old abandonment or a betrayal or rejection. Like, that's just me. I get to meet that wow and have more and more and more space to show up and be devoted to the calling of my heart.
Sarah Tacy [00:42:13]:
Wow. Well, I'm just like, I wonder how my life would shift if I remembered to consider that perspective. Somebody at Laura's retreat got up and just said that when things show up for him, he often says, oh, I didn't know I needed that. It brings the conversation back to what you're pointing out, which is, what part of me am I meeting here?
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:42:43]:
Yeah. And I think that motherhood and entrepreneurship, clearly I'm very biased, but are the greatest initiators into evolving our consciousness. Because it really seems real what we're dealing with. Like, it really feels real. Life or death. It feels life or death. I need. It's my.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:43:05]:
It's on me to keep this being alive. It's on me to make this business grow. It's on me. When we can, like, really consider that that is just a really deep filter of separation, then naturally we're left with so much more curiosity. We're left with so much more like, well, what's on offer for me to meet within myself here to the point of that man? Like, oh, I didn't realize that there was another layer of rejection that I get to have more capacity for. Because if I have more capacity for this, if this is not interpreted in that way anymore. I'm free. Then there's no like weird dance that I subconsciously continue to do.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:43:52]:
It's like, no, I'm, I'm okay. This is not a problem.
Sarah Tacy [00:43:58]:
I'm just very curious in this moment, what might shift in my life if I were to continue to drop into this perspective that I feel like you really live from. And so for me, I told you how I was pendulating back and forth. And so that is definitely my experience of going like ordinary, get things done. I have this drop off time and these emails to get back to to like, oh, remember body, you know, remember breath? Or I'm having a hard time getting in touch with that part that feels divine, like really feeling the separation. And therefore I'm going to write in my journal so I can start to touch that part. And I'm really curious what life would look like if there was a more of a shift in me to feel more often the sense of wholeness not just in my personality or the wholeness of me, but the unity.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:45:05]:
What a huge invitation that you're giving yourself to this.
Sarah Tacy [00:45:08]:
Yeah, I'm like, I wonder what she's drinking and what it tastes like. I'll take just a sip to begin, please.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:45:18]:
That's quite earthy.
Sarah Tacy [00:45:23]:
One more thing on this is breath work. I unfortunately missed the breath work that you did in Miami. I didn't realize it was just happening the night before. I think it happened at like 8 o' clock at night. I was like, wait, who is not sleeping? People are just starting to rev up their energy at 8. Was it 8 o'? Clock?
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:45:44]:
I cannot remember, but I do remember it was, it was definitely after hours for my, my attention span, but yeah. Well, was there something specific that you wanted to. Yeah, sure.
Sarah Tacy [00:45:54]:
How does it play into the course that you're offering? I'm like curious when people, when you have like the toolbox that you have and as you keep coming into new forms of yourself, of what you want to offer, that this has seems to have risen towards the top as well. Yeah. What has cracked open in you through it and how does it play into what you're offering?
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:46:15]:
You know, so I've been with my husband since high school, big fan. I think he's top notch and I never expected to ever collaborate with him in any way work wise. But since it's been about eight years, we have designed a program to support people learn how to facilitate revelation breath work. So we have a membership, but we also have a training and you know, teaching people how to support people Breathe is not rocket science, right? However, what it's steeped in is spiritual psychology. And what it's steeped in is recognizing a person in front of you is meeting themselves. That's the prayer. Like, you can't do it wrong. We just get to behold a courageous soul, set an intention for themselves.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:47:06]:
But you don't even need to, because there's something, again, far greater, far wiser, far more loving, that's orchestrating it all. And invite the breath of life in. And by simply inviting it in, the miracle happens. The breath will hit the parts of the soma that's holding the exact answer to their question. And whether or not they have visions or whether or not they have an emotional response or whether they. It doesn't even matter, because that's trying to put it into the rationale, understanding like it is being done. Something is opening by simply showing up and being willing to proceed. And so this is a tool.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:47:48]:
I love this work because it is something, like, practical that people can participate in. Like you're saying, like, I can just sit down and journal. I can have a tool. Tool that. It's not about the tool. It's about recognizing that there's inroads available to me so that I can land in a deeper level of curiosity and surrender and acceptance that when I'm up here, it's not as accessible, but. And based on my background and working with the body for so long, I love being able to witness being like, whoa, they're not actually able to breathe deep into their pelvis. I wonder what they're holding there.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:48:28]:
And just with a little bit of, you know, sending loving energy or a little bit of encouragement, we get to witness just more space occur and what happens when the space is invited and see what occurs to them as they open up to places inside that, you know, we're always like this all day long. We're. We're not necessarily consciously inviting ourselves into. So I don't really know if I'm answering your question, but it's something that I like to weave into my retreats that I love teaching with. Jason. I love it so much. And it's a great tool to support us remembering the truth of who we are, which is like, not happening here.
Sarah Tacy [00:49:14]:
Three things. One is that I was like, that would be really cool doing shocker work with breath work because of what I imagine can move. That, like you said, is beyond the mind. Two is that the day that I did the breath work at LORS and didn't have visuals and didn't have A clear. Oh, this is what happened. It's so helpful for me to remember. There's a podcast, the Emerald Podcast, that had. The revolution will not be psychologized.
Sarah Tacy [00:49:47]:
And it's so good because it reminds us of all the things our ancestors knew of. One line is something like, there's something that happens that can only be transmuted in the third hour of dancing around a fire. And so here we try to sit and talk it all out, and we loop and we loop. And so what happens when we just move our energy through, dance through, breath, through, drumming through and consciously picking food and putting it together through all the variety of ways that move energy. And we get to keep our brain and we get to use our brain. But what if we also understand? And even just through understand through experience, it doesn't even have to be understanding through faith. Like, it can be understanding through experience. Like, something shifted in me, and I can feel it, even if I can't name it.
Sarah Tacy [00:50:40]:
I don't know if that was all three of them. That was at least two of them.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:50:43]:
That was at least 2.
Sarah Tacy [00:50:45]:
The revolution cannot be psychologized. How cool. If you get to do breath work, you know, that is somehow woven into the chakras and finding ways of meeting yourself and creating space. Yeah.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:50:58]:
Yeah, totally. Yeah. So part of our training uses the chakras. So that is. You're a very good mind reader. Like, that is amazing.
Sarah Tacy [00:51:08]:
Well, thank you so much. I. We've never actually gotten to sit down for a whole hour and chat and talk. Yeah. And check in like this. And so for me, I feel wildly grateful to get to know you a little deeper. I'm gonna take a little sip from your juice, if you don't mind. From what you shared, I.
Sarah Tacy [00:51:29]:
You know, the. The type that is generative and not extractive. Just. Yeah. It feels like such a blessing. And I feel like I've gotten to understand and see myself a little bit more, too, through our conversation. So thank you for your presence and your reflections.
Dr. Maura Moynihan [00:51:46]:
Oh, yeah. Such a joy. Such a big fan of you, Sarah. I love the work that you're putting out into the world and where you are inside of yourself as you do. So brilliant.
Sarah Tacy [00:52:02]:
Thank you for tuning in. It's been such a pleasure. If you're looking for added support, I'm offering a program that's totally free called 21 Days of Untapped Support. It's pretty awesome. It's very easy. It's very helpful. You can find it@saratacy.com and if you love this episode, please subscribe and like about apparently it's wildly useful, so we could just explore what happens when you scroll down to the bottom. Subscribe rate, maybe say a thing or two.
Sarah Tacy [00:52:35]:
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