047 - Katie Sol: The Energy of Authenticity
Welcome, friends. Today I am honored to have my dear friend Katie Sol here for a moving conversation about personal growth, authenticity, and the transformative power of life's pivotal moments.
Katie also shares her assessment of the energy for 2024, giving us a glimpse of what to expect from a numerological lens.
Katie is former Fortune 100 corporate star turned soul-driven entrepreneur and consciousness coach. She founded her brand and podcast Mystical Living as well as her light-bearing clothing line Love Lillet.
Join us as we explore:
The healing power of authenticity
The significance of inner alignment
Choosing between two rights
The magnetic pull of divine timing
The 7 energy of 2023 and what the 8 of 2024 will bring
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Episode Transcript
Sarah Tacy [00:00:05]
Hello welcome, I'm Sarah Tacy and this is Threshold Moments, the podcast for guests and I share stories about the process of updating into truer versions of ourselves. The path is unknown and the pull feels real. Together we share our grief, laughter, love and life saving tools. Join us Hello, welcome to Threshold moments. Today I have the deep honor of introducing you to Katie Soul.
Sarah Tacy [00:00:39]
Katie and I first met at Sarah Jenks's temple. We were at the pre temple sitting in her barn and we landed on seats next to each other. And little would we know that a few years later we would just be dropping in so much deeper together. Especially over these last eight months, she's been such a beautiful blueprint of what a friend can be, and I feel so honored to have her in my life. In our conversation, she talks about authenticity being the highest frequency.
Sarah Tacy [00:01:10]
And so maybe what I did not make clear in this interview is that Katie works so much with frequency vibration and a lot of the clothing line that she has created has to do with mystical divine symbols and the frequencies that come from them. So it was helpful for me to hear the authenticity is the highest frequency and not say joy or love or gratitude that may not always be as available to us at hard times in her life. She talks about intuition, the heart and instinct speaking to us as first a feather, then a whisper and then a brick. I used to just keep it like I was like it's a whisper and then it's a Mack truck. But I love that she at least gives us 3 stages.
Sarah Tacy [00:01:56]
She brings us through her journey of being a Fortune 100 exec starting at the age of 26 to being a soul based entrepreneur. And the really, I want to say like the unsexy middle, the crumbling, but also and not of her career, but the things in life that had to happen to help her get into a more true alignment with her inner self, even though the externals looked so aligned. And I just want to say that when you see these beautiful sexy endings that it doesn't mean that it's not without the hardship in the middle. And for some of us, it's just kind of these cycles that are on going throughout. She to me though, seems super clear and super in alignment right now.
Sarah Tacy [00:02:49]
And I would say she is a fast learner, a fast actor when she not actor like actress, but like moved into action at the end. She shares with us the energy of 2024. And I won't ruin it in the intro. You'll have to listen through till the end. I hope you enjoy her story and her wisdom as much as I do.
Sarah Tacy [00:03:11]
I think you'll be able to feel her light and love and recognize the depths from which it comes from. Enjoy. Welcome to Threshold moments. Today we have with us my dear friend Katie Soul. I threw together a bio that I pulled the different parts from her website and I give her full permission, of course, to update anything that I'm saying to correct any order.
Sarah Tacy [00:03:46]
And something that I love about doing these podcasts is that even with dear friends, I learned so much more about them and their life. But there are always these threads that connect me to a part of my own inner knowing or my own journey. And so I have a feeling that's going to happen here today. So Katie's soul is a trailblazing entrepreneur committed to raising the consciousness of leaders. By the age of 26, she was a Fortune 100 retail executive, impacting thousands of associates.
Sarah Tacy [00:04:25]
Over the next two decades, she LED groundbreaking digital initiatives and major international expansion effort. Katie had a parallel interest, or perhaps an interest that took place at the same time, an insatiable curiosity for unraveling the mysteries of the universe, leading her on a pilgrimage all over the world and learning from the world's most sought after spiritual leaders. Her parallel journeys and spirituality and leadership eventually wove together to shape the very essence of her life's work. Life challenged her, tested her resolve and pushed her to her limits. Navigating A grueling schedule as a Fortune 100 retail exec.
Sarah Tacy [00:05:11]
Mothering amazing young kids. Staying present through a family disease of addiction. Ending a marriage and a habit of putting everyone else's needs above her own, leaving her with a broken, foggy mind and a disconnected soul. Yet through every twist and turn, she emerged stronger, wiser, and more determined to uncover the hidden truth that lay within. She always had an inner knowing that greatness is available.
Sarah Tacy [00:05:48]
Hades resolve life experiences and both building high level success and breaking down outer layers of success that didn't match inner layers of truth have led her to her work that she now does, which is again twofold. In some ways, it's the creation of high frequency style that she believes has the power to shape energy and attract positive experiences into our lives and coaching others with consciousness, coaching leaders to Co create a world where passion and purpose can thrive together. Katie has a podcast called Mystical Living, a clothing line and a coaching business. Welcome Katie Oh.
Katie Sol [00:06:32]
My gosh, what a beautiful intro. I'm going to have to borrow those show notes and recreate my bio. That was amazing. I love the way that you wove my story together and thank you for sharing it back to me.
Sarah Tacy [00:06:51]
told you that I almost went without creating a bio because we know each other and I thought we could just flow. But sometimes it feels like such an honor to read through someone's website and put the pieces together and weave them together and allowing somebody to hear their story back, like to be a mirror and a reflection. I wonder if you might say a thing about if there was any part of that story that stuck out to you or created a feeling when you heard it.
Katie Sol [00:07:29]
Yeah, yeah, it definitely did. I'm so glad you asked. I think sometimes as we do raise our consciousness and we evolve and we step into these new versions of ourselves, it's easy to forget the former version of who we once were. And this is really present for me right now because I had this upload about a month ago. And it was this voice in my head that said, Katie, you need to create a course for the person you once were.
Katie Sol [00:08:11]
The version of you that was in corporate America, but so deeply wanted to live this mystical life. And you saw these women on Instagram, on social media, listen to their podcasts. And they were traveling the world and they were taking these amazing pilgrimages and had deep friendships and soul connections. And you were doing seeds of that throughout the years. But that version of you still exists within another, That version of you that was broken, that was in a house, that was crumbling, in a high-powered Fortune 100 job that was all about the external validation, all about the accolades and the promotions.
Katie Sol [00:09:00]
And you were in a phase of life where you weren't internally nourished because you didn't know yet how to nourish yourself. And you are still seeking external validation. There's others like you out there right now that are in the crumbling body, the disconnected soul, the brokenness of a marriage or the family disease of addiction. And they need your light. They need to see that you, they too can emerge into a consciously created life and that it is possible.
Katie Sol [00:09:40]
And so I've been up to that over the past few months. So I've been really deeply immersed in that former version of myself. And through creating this course, it's also been healing my heart and allowing me to look at aspects of myself from a really different perspective. Because sometimes when we're in the heartache, when we're in the trauma, it just feels like you're living day-to-day, moment to moment. And when I can look back on that time in my life, even though it was really hard, we can get into all of that as we go.
Katie Sol [00:10:23]
It was also really necessary for my evolution. And I'm so grateful for the heartache and the body pains and the trauma and the cops showing up at my door and the chaos in that moment of life. Because sometimes when we're in that chaos, it's necessary to create change, to create evolution. And while we often want to avoid that word chaos, sometimes it's just necessary to create the change that maybe we weren't brave enough already to do on our own. So that's what was resonating for me.
Sarah Tacy [00:11:08]
I am really having the honor of doing 3 podcasts back-to-back, and one was with Pohang Yu, and she talked about being in a phase of chaos for 20 years before seeing that light, but that because she was there, she can so deeply understand the depths of places that different people's souls have touched or are going through as she coaches. And right before this, I was talking to Janine and we were talking about that place of chaos and confusion and the question I posed to her, which was that there can be all of this light around this idea that clarity is power. And when I was first getting to know her, I looked her up. I was like, she was going to be at Kate's little birthday soiree. And I was like, who is this chick?
Sarah Tacy [00:12:10]
I don't how do I not know her? In one of the YouTube video, she was talking about the power of confusion. And I've said on here before that clarity is power than confusion is possibility. Clarity generally feels better. And confusion can feel like a loss.
Sarah Tacy [00:12:29]
It could, you know, there can be grief, there can be worthiness issues. And I'm wondering if you would say a thing or two about confusion while you're in the muck because I know it doesn't always feel good and we can't see the lessons in the moment. And then skipping to this phase now where it sounds like you have more clarity, if you could speak to the reality of like and are there confusions in this state where you can have higher frequency and creating more of the life and being more of the life that you want to be?
Katie Sol [00:13:05]
Yeah, for me, there was a lot of confusion, a lot of chaos, a lot of muck over probably the past like 5 or 6 years of my life. It was kind of wild, a really wild ride. And sometimes when I talk about it, it doesn't actually feel like my reality because it feels like somebody else's story. Because while I've been living it, I also feel so far removed from that level of chaos in my life. And I'll share a story that probably helps illustrate a little bit about that time.
Katie Sol [00:13:51]
So so I moved into this house and from the minute that I moved into the house, it started crumbling. It was chaotic from the very, very beginning. And it was a really dense time in my life. When we moved into this house, I was married at the time. I had two kind of toddlerish age kids and living in a new house that was a total fixer up or on a beautiful lake.
Katie Sol [00:14:24]
So that was the one redeeming quality to this home as the land was really special land, but the home had been through a lot. The family that lived there before us, I've been through a lot. There was a lot of density, a lot of heaviness. And sometimes when we come on to a piece of land that we get to spend our little bit of time on, we also inherit all that that land carries too. So coupled with the chaos in my family and the chaos of the land, it really created a perfect storm of wildness.
Katie Sol [00:15:03]
So on this land, I found myself one day just getting outside, getting on my knees and praying and just saying God, spirit, universe, whoever, angels, whoever is listening in this moment, I surrender. I am not doing this on my own. I can't figure it out. My body's going numb. My husband's struggling with addiction.
Katie Sol [00:15:34]
We're navigating that family disease together. The house is crumbling. My kids aren't sleeping. Like, what is going on? Like I can't do it.
Katie Sol [00:15:44]
I throw in the towel. I'm surrendering to a higher power. And in that moment, I saw a version of me, the version that sits here today, And she was so full of light. And she just reached out her hand and she said, I'll take you. I will take you.
Katie Sol [00:16:05]
I will lead the way so you don't have to in this moment. And I can't forget that experience because it was so profound in my life. And the next day, I got this e-mail from a woman named Sarah Jane. She's now a beautiful mutual friend of both of ours. And it said, I'm moving back to New England, I'm doing this ceremony thing for women.
Katie Sol [00:16:40]
And if, you know, you're overwhelmed and stressed out and broken, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you should come. And in this moment, I was like, OK, great. So I went, and for the first time I really formed this local community of spiritual women. And when I would go to our friend Sarah's temple in the beginning, in the early years when she first moved back to the area, I wouldn't sit on the floor. And everyone would sit on the floor except maybe a couple elders that would be there who might sit in a chair.
Katie Sol [00:17:22]
I had to sit in a chair and it was really pretty humiliating to be so broken that I couldn't spend an hour and a half on the floor. And over time, I shed a lot of tears on that land. I did a lot of healing and now I get to go back to that land and both of us are actually going there tomorrow night or a ceremony. And it feels really different and it feels amazing to be somebody who can shine a light, a beacon of light for everyone who's in that stage of chaos in their lives, and to be a wayshower. That healing is available, that growth is available, that that future version of us is holding out a hand and sometimes we need to just grasp it because we can't do it all alone.
Katie Sol [00:18:27]
And I have no idea if I've answered the question because I think I just went on a whole journey there, but that's what came through.
Sarah Tacy [00:18:35]
Well, nobody can see this because we're on Zoom and this podcast is audio. But as you were speaking about holding out a hand, I don't know if you saw that a hand came up on your screen.
Katie Sol [00:18:47]
You.
Sarah Tacy [00:18:48]
Did. And I was like, did I do that? No, that's not my hand. That's her hand. But I don't think she's touching the.
Katie Sol [00:18:52]
Keyboard. I wasn't touching the keyboard. It was. It was this hand that just popped up there.
Sarah Tacy [00:18:57]
Yeah, that's amazing. I also, I understood that the ceremonies at Sarah Jenks house were a big part of your transformation. And maybe you could say more, but I did not know that the e-mail came the day after you were on your knees praying, saying I surrender. I cannot do this on my own. And I also love that in that moment you saw your future version, the you that you are now and that you are also that person you are now doing that for other people.
Sarah Tacy [00:19:37]
Like you're right now, you're in your mind trying to touch back into that past one who is on her knees so that you as your current one can do the same thing that you did for yourself. And I can say that you hold that energy with me. Something that I really appreciate about you and about your friendship is I can really sense it's going to be kind of a two-part thing. One thing is that I can really sense the depth of your spiritual practice and. Not as a hierarchy thing, but as in you truly source from your heart and your own wisdom, the wisdom that comes through you.
Sarah Tacy [00:20:26]
You have access, and I know we all have access, but you really have this clear line of access to what I would call the great mystery, the divine. That is a call and response. And if I were to share with you a really human part of my experience, I never feel bypassed. I called you just the other week in a moment where I was feeling really activated about something that I would generally try to fix on my own. And I would generally try to just like soothe and distract and maybe use my analytical mind, just understand all perspectives.
Sarah Tacy [00:21:09]
And but instead, I chose to reach out and share my experience and the love that you have offered me and the love that you continue to offer me no matter what state or stage or place I'm in, really speaks to the light and the truth of you and the heart itself. So I want to thank you. I want to thank you for being such a beautiful example of what a friend can be. It's been really healing for me over this last year to have someone as stable and steady and loving as you've been to me. Thank.
Katie Sol [00:21:57]
You, I'm receiving that and I also want to reflect to you in that moment. You were the one that really took the leap. You are the one that healed yourself in that moment. Because when we have that vulnerability that we can actually reach out to another human being, that is us healing ourselves. That is the work, that is the magic, because you could have stayed in a bubble of trying to fix and solve and wasn't anything for me to fix or solve.
Katie Sol [00:22:40]
It was just for me to listen. You were the one who took that big step forward and it was so beautiful. And when you do that, you also empower me in another moment down the road to do the same thing, to say that vulnerable, kind of icky thing that you really kind of want to bury deep inside because you don't really want to say it out loud, but that is the healing. And I didn't do anything. I was just the ear that was receiving it.
Katie Sol [00:23:18]
And I'm so grateful to you for always showing that vulnerability, but particularly in this recent moment, it was so powerful and amazing to witness you in your own vulnerability, in your own healing, in your own expression of what was real and what was truthful. And I think what I offered to you in that moment was that authenticity is the highest vibration that a human can experience. You know, we often think it's love, but really the Spain Institute did the study on different frequencies and that's what came back. Is that authenticity, living in your truth, sharing what's real in the moment, that is the highest vibration that we can experience as humans. And being able to witness you do that was really remarkable.
Sarah Tacy [00:24:22]
This is such great medicine for me to hear, so I'm going to go back and say the interview with PO Hong Yu. She does work with anger and approaching it through a Taoist lens and largely yin. And although I intellectually understand, especially loving David White's take on anger, but intellectually I understand that it shows that we have a boundary that's been crossed. Like I understand the importance of it. And again, it doesn't feel good and it doesn't feel spiritual because this is my own conditioning.
Sarah Tacy [00:24:57]
And the more I can be in the presence of those that can be there for authenticity and can celebrate it, the more I learn again and again that all parts of me are welcome. And I would say so. And Steve and I work with somebody on every Friday and he has offered to us is and to all of his clients are please call me, please reach out when you're feeling activated. And that's so that we can have an experience of Co regulation. And he said most of his clients have situations in which they've learned independence and such as like a survival technique that maybe they can hire out help in certain situations.
Sarah Tacy [00:25:46]
But like to actually reach out in an emotional situation to somebody who is stable, not back into something that's going to like escalate the situation, but to somebody who's stable, who would just reflect back to you, hold space and reflect back to you. And I think that his phone is largely silent because it's so hard for people in those situations. And so it's been a practice. And I just had a podcast come out on help. And I giggled because after a session with him and I was working through a certain dynamic and he's like, oh, so now this could be an example of where you could call me because I was like, I don't know how to hold this thing when I really want to be there for this person.
Sarah Tacy [00:26:32] But it's actually like, you know, it's like, I'm actually frustrated. And he's like, oh, so you're trying to figure it out between yourself and this person that you're activated with. He's like, what if now you are the person who reaches out and calls and, and touches in with me? And it was again, this thing of when something is so early programmed in a system, it's hard to see another reality. It's hard to see another way.
Sarah Tacy [00:26:56]
When he said that, yeah, that's another element of help. And so I'm actually like pretty happy I was able to reach out and just share my feelings with somebody, especially since they didn't feel like spiritual high frequency feelings. And I hear you saying that authenticity is the highest frequency. But I just said that with Janine on the other one with like, man, such a bummer when you're in like the depths of despair and people tell you that joy is magnetic. And then if I can't access that, then I could feel like I'm ******.
Katie Sol [00:27:36]
Yeah.
Sarah Tacy [00:27:37]
But if I can know that authenticity is the most I can ask for myself, and that I can actually access authenticity from any state, then that is really liberating.
Katie Sol [00:27:50]
Yeah, and that is the magic, right? Because you can access it from any state as long as you express your truth. And sometimes your truth is anger, despair, frustration. And what I always think about in those moments is that's what I'm experiencing, but it's not me. I am not anger.
Katie Sol [00:28:22]
I am not despair. I am not fear. I am experiencing fear. I'm experiencing anger. And that helps me to move through it versus taking it on and embodying it into my body.
Katie Sol [00:28:37]
Because then I think it does show up in our cells as disease and pain. And I've lived that version of. And a big, big part of my story was not being authentic people pleasing, knowing that my ex-husband was really struggling and saying to him, hey, you know, I think something's really wrong and having him say no, no, no, no, you're crazy. Of course not. I'm not overusing drugs or whatever it might have been in that moment.
Katie Sol [00:29:15]
And but my divine self knew and my mind want it to quiet that down. My mind want it to be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, He's right. Let's just tuck that under the covers and not look in the mirror. Or maybe it was in the workplace. But there were many aspects of my life where I wasn't living in my full authenticity
Katie Sol [00:29:40]
I knew my truth. I just wasn't living it. I wasn't experiencing it. I was tucking it down because it didn't work for the perfect marriage. It didn't work for climbing the ladder.
Katie Sol [00:29:54]
It didn't work for being the only woman on a corporate retreat with all men you know, It just didn't fit nicely in a box of situations in my in my life that didn't feel right, didn't feel comfortable. And now I've gone 180 and I'm in a very different place around authenticity. And it's really centers around everything I teach is it's actually quieting that mind, that human self, and dropping into your heart, your divine self, where your wisdom, your intuition, your inner knowing, your truth is accessed. But it took me a while to get there.
Sarah Tacy [00:30:39]
I pulled a card for our session and I just giggled when I got it.
Katie Sol [00:30:45]
I pulled a card too. Oh good, we'll do a. We'll do a card.
Sarah Tacy [00:30:49]
Swap so I pulled White Buffalo Calf Woman. So this is Megan Watterson's deck, the prophetess of the sacred way. My heart is a compass. The path of love is true abundance. And when I read that and I just see like the light and the sparkling and, and this was in relationship to you, the prophetess of the sacred way.
Sarah Tacy [00:31:14]
My heart is the compass. And we've been together in your kitchen where you're like, let's drop into your heart, right? Like, let's use your heart as a compass. The heart never lies. I was like, Oh my God, I love, I love the way cards are so accurate.
Sarah Tacy [00:31:28]
Thank you.
Katie Sol [00:31:32]
I pulled from the Vision Quest Tarot, and the card that I pulled is the Six of Fire, which is all about victory, about breaking through, and just strength and joy radiating from you as an outpouring of your inner harmony. When you have that genuine contentment, you open yourself up to an influx of power.
[00:32:03]
Can I will you hold up that card again?
Katie Sol [00:32:05]
Yeah.
Sarah Tacy [00:32:06]
OK, so I know that is not a Lotus flower, but I'm seeing it as a Lotus flower and I'm seeing the depths of the roots below. And then the arrows are pointing towards the sun, the soul, Katie's soul. And I'm just seeing this. If you could almost think of someone like ushering you from one to the other or that there's this connection from the depths of what we go through towards the light and the clarity and this idea there's a the goddess Artemis, like Artemis make my aim true. I'm seeing all that and I'm wondering you've talked about the house falling apart, the divorce.
Sarah Tacy [00:32:49]
So I'm kind of like going down into the mud right now and the Fortune 100 job and this transition point where you, you know your truth. But if you're to bring it up, everything would crumble. I'm wondering if it all if like did all of it crumble at the same time? No, OK, I'm wondering if you could stages of crumbling. Can you walk us through the stages of crumbling and then on the other side, tell us more about mystical living?
Katie Sol [00:33:23]
Yeah. And I think one other thing I'll circle back to is on this card, there's six arrows and six is the number of balance. It's really about that unifying of masculine and feminine of the stars and the earth and the darkness and the light. And I'm a little bit of like a number nut. So I think that's relevant to our discussion too.
Katie Sol [00:33:50]
Yeah, I'll try and summarize the crumbling. So I like to call it how our intuition speaks to us is a feather brushing a set by and then it gets a little louder, like a whisper in the ear. When we don't listen to the feather or the whisper, it comes crashing down like a **** ton of bricks. So if you hear me talk about a feather, a whisper and a brick, that's what I'm referencing. And I in that stage of life with the house, the marriage, I experienced the bricks.
Katie Sol [00:34:27]
So things started just rapidly crumbling. And there's a lot of beauty in this time, too. I had a shaman come to the house. My husband had just gotten back from rehab. And I had, we were going to need to do a big renovation in the house because it was crumbling and trying, you know, again to rebuild.
Katie Sol [00:34:53]
And my intuition was still like, I don't know. I don't know that this is what we should be doing, but at the time that people pleaser in me was like, Nope, let's just like patch it all back up together and put a bow on it. So this beautiful shaman comes to the house and he is an Irish man and he sits in front of a tree in front of the house for a long time, hours maybe. And afterwards, he comes to me and says, Katie, I, I just, that renovation you seem all excited about. I don't think you should do that.
Katie Sol [00:35:34]
I'm like, oh, like we're doing the renovation. We gotta do the renovation. It's part of the plan. It's like, well, maybe you could just wait like three to four months before you do the renovation. And at the same time, in parallel to this, I was meeting with the team that was helping us with the renovation.
Katie Sol [00:35:54]
And I had this vision for my kitchen. And this vision had been so clear to me. I saw myself in this kitchen. I actually saw myself holding up a book. And I was launching this book, and I was throwing a big party in the kitchen to launch my book.
Katie Sol [00:36:10]
And I was like, no, I have this vision and the book. And, you know, at this time, it didn't really make sense. You know, I was working in corporate America. Writing a book didn't really compute for me. Fast forward to this year and I did write a book.
Katie Sol [00:36:25]
Haven't had a party or gone too far in that journey, but I saw myself holding up this book and the builders like Katie, like that kitchen that you're envisioning. It just doesn't work in this house. I say, OK, well, that's the kitchen. Like it's, it's just all way. It has this waterfall kitchen.
Katie Sol [00:36:46]
It's beautiful. And tell him the whole thing. It's like it's just, I, I can't do it for you. So that's happening. The shaman saying no, no, no, no, no.
Katie Sol [00:36:55]
Like just pause. At that point, I'm starting to think like, maybe there's some truth in all of this. And what would it look like if I really listened? And, you know, energetically, I think the other people in the house pick up on things, too. And we kind of started slowing down on the plans, taking it a little slower.
Katie Sol [00:37:25]
And then one day I came home and I couldn't find my husband at the time. And it was scary because his health wasn't stable at that point. And by now we had a sponsor and our loved ones all kind of knew about his struggles with addiction. And so I start calling everyone and trying to figure out has anyone heard from his? Has anyone seen him?
Katie Sol [00:37:59]
And eventually I find this letter on my pillow on the bed. And the letter says, I can't do this. I can't be a part of this family. I you all deserve better. This is not the path for us going forward.
Katie Sol [00:38:23]
And as you can imagine, in that state, that letter is a little ambiguous as to what's going to happen next. So I didn't know what was going to happen next. If that meant a divorce, if it meant he was leaving this planet. I didn't know. And it was a really another scary night.
Katie Sol [00:38:44]
And in that moment, we eventually did find him. And he was actually at a really lovely hotel in the city. So all was well. And he agreed to meet up with me the next day. And the next day we sat in a parking lot in the car and I said, look, I can give 95% to this relationship.
Katie Sol [00:39:09]
Can you give 5%? He said no, and I said I can give 99% to this relationship, can you give one person? He said no. And that was that moment of clarity where I realized he's just telling the truth. It's just true.
Katie Sol [00:39:31]
It's just the truth. It's not. He's not being mean, he's not being unkind, he's just being honest. And it really was what was necessary for our family to heal, for him to heal, for him to get healthy, for him to get clean. And of course, there were, you know, many ups and downs from that point forward, but generally on an upward trajectory of healing for everyone involved.
Katie Sol [00:40:02]
And this piece swept over me in that car. Like, OK, all right, Like I get it. So Fast forward a couple weeks later, I'm now like buying and selling a house and figuring out all of this because I'm, I now hear the shaman and I'm like, got it, Cancel the renovation, which is, you know, an awfully unfun call to make to this beautiful builder to say, Hey, we can't move forward. I'm selling the house. And it ended up being a happy story where he was able to do the renovation for the people who ended up buying the house.
Katie Sol [00:40:41]
So all worked out. And then in about a week after that moment, and I, I do move at an accelerated pace in life generally. And so I decide to buy a house and I walk into the house that I'm sitting in now and it's my kitchen and it's the kitchen and my vision, the kitchen that the builder couldn't create. And a week later I had bought the house. And I share that story because it really was about coming into the truth and not trying to keep putting bandage after bandage on something that just needed to unravel.
Katie Sol [00:41:34]
And that unraveling, looking back on it was the best thing ever because then I got to do it differently when I started hearing the whisper that it was time to leave my corporate job. So I'll keep I'll keep like with this thread and then I'll wrap up. So with my corporate job, I had this moment where I was talking to one of our senior executives. He was describing our corporate culture to me. He said, Katie, it's like a box.
Katie Sol [00:42:08]
Every level that you go up, the box gets smaller and the box gets smaller. You have to squeeze yourself into the smaller and smaller and smaller box. He's doing the whole thing with his hands. He said that's, you know what you have to do to be successful here to fit in the culture. And it was that light bulb moment, that whisper for me, the feather, that early stage of my intuition being like, Oh my gosh, he's telling me exactly what I felt with every promotion I've received.
Katie Sol [00:42:38]
I felt like a smaller and smaller and smaller version of myself. And it was in that moment where I got to consciously choose, what is this ending going to look like? How can I do this differently? And that was about a year before I ultimately left my corporate job. But that was the first sign and I got to leave in a much more conscious way.
Katie Sol [00:43:03]
There continue to be other signs where throughout the COVID pandemic years, there just was a misalignment between my core values and the core values of the organization I worked. And I got to do that exit in a graceful way. But had I not gone through that situation with my marriage and coming into my truth, I wouldn't have been able to make that corporate exit in a way that felt graceful and in alignment with my authenticity.
Sarah Tacy [00:43:39]
I love the idea of tracking. And this is something that I've heard from Boyd Vardy when he says, like when his uncle was in South Africa and he saw a leopard and when he saw the leopard, he immediately knew, like, oh, that's what I'm going to do with the rest of my life. And it was because his uncle just kept tracking, even though these cats can hide and are only seen when they want to be seen, that eventually there was a mutual relationship made. And then eventually when she had Cubs, their Cubs felt safe within his presence. And, and this safari eventually grew and this, you know, this whole.
Sarah Tacy [00:44:23]
But the idea of when you have this like yes, this yes moment, and it's something that you may already know. There's something inside. But when the external shows you a vision or a picture of it that matches it, then it can be more of a guiding post. But what I'm hearing in your stories is that some of the yeses were Nos, like the one in you who just wants it all to stay together and the people pleaser and the one who's willing to sacrifice every part of yourself for the hope of keeping the family together. When you were met with a no, it was a relief to your system because that no matched your no right like that.
Sarah Tacy [00:45:13]
That was the yes was that like the no matched in inner knowing. And when this man in the corporation spoke about these boxes, it was again an affirmation of something you were feeling inside. And so maybe this isn't quite the same thing, but I'm there is something about tracking when something someone says on the outside so almost like a lightning bolt or like so deeply hits you that you know there's a truth that's worth sitting with longer and honoring. I'm loving the variety of ways that these things can show up. I love that it can show up in a whisper or a feather and that sometimes the world outside you will give you this really like a mirror to what you're feeling inside.
Sarah Tacy [00:46:00]
It will give you that mirror on the outside that affirms what was there on the inside, but may have been too scary to say or state or claim.
Katie Sol [00:46:09]
Yeah. And I think what's beautiful about this practice is it's always evolving and you always get to choose, do I want to operate from the mind, that human self, or do I want to operate from my divine self, from that wise, intuitive knowing? And even if it comes down to a holiday party, it's asking that question like, OK, am I operating from my mind that wants to show up and try to do a million things this holiday season and be there for everyone and everything and every event when my heart says no. And we get to practices over and over and again with all of our decisions in life and every little moment. It does get easier over time because you just start living from your heart and you have to do that practice less and less as time goes on.
Katie Sol [00:47:14]
But when we've been conditioned as a society, and particularly as women to people please and to show up for everyone else and meet everyone's needs before our own, it is a practice to unwind that. And often with clients, it's actually not. The challenge is not knowing and listening and hearing their intuition. The challenge is acting on it. That's the real practice is often you can hear it.
Katie Sol [00:47:47]
I could hear it throughout all those years. I just let my mind take the steering wheel and now I try to not do that so much.
Sarah Tacy [00:48:01]
I can think about momentum and how I could hear something in my heart, but then the momentum allows me to just keep going with a habit that I'm used to and how the way as you're telling your story, I'm I have this image and this feeling of slowing it down enough to hear the heart.
Katie Sol [00:48:27]
Step one.
Sarah Tacy [00:48:28]
Step one, then having another pause.
Katie Sol [00:48:32]
Yeah, the lesson.
Sarah Tacy [00:48:34]
To listen and say yes to it, Yeah. And then creating momentum like I feel like this is the next harder part is to create momentum in a new direction that might disappoint somebody.
Katie Sol [00:48:46]
Yeah.
Sarah Tacy [00:48:47]
And then I'm going to say like, and then what to you? So then your answer, like you may have friends who are like, Oh my God, thank you for listening to your heart. I love you so much. It's such a great, you know, such a great thing for me to learn from. And there are going to be other times where there's disappointment.
Sarah Tacy [00:49:02]
Would you say a thing or two about when you shift, the moment you hear your heart pause, Where does that energy come sometimes to then motivate and recreate momentum, but creating it on a new neural pathway in a new direction that might have the effect of disappointing people and kind of like how to be with one's heart and that feeling of like belonging or not belonging, disappointing or pleasing.
Katie Sol [00:49:35]
I love that. And when I first started this practice, I felt like I needed to explain myself and I had to create a storyline around sharing in the full list why I wasn't going to make it to that party. And what I learned is actually, you can just say no thank you. You don't need to create a story. You don't need a narrative.
Katie Sol [00:50:04]
It's actually a lot simpler and cleaner for everyone involved when you just say thank you so much for the invitation. I'm not able to make it and it's OK and.
Sarah Tacy [00:50:16]
So keep it simple.
Katie Sol [00:50:17]
You just get to keep it simple and not make it overly complex. And that's just the mind overthinking it. And I think so often, as I've practiced this for a long time now, the opportunities that I see that are created by my saying no or yes to something have a ripple impact too. So if I say, you know what, it's not this weekend. We have a friend who's having a baby blessing coming up and I would love to be present for this baby blessing.
Katie Sol [00:50:57]
And I'm currently unclear with my kids calendar if that's going to work out or not. It's an unknown. I'd like to be present and there's a lot of moving parts on that weekend and I know that either outcome is fine. If I don't go, it creates an opportunity for somebody else to maybe step in. Maybe somebody else takes my spot in that blessing ceremony who's meant to be there.
Katie Sol [00:51:28]
Maybe I do go and things with my kids evolve beautifully. Either way, it's OK and I have peace around that situation. But so often, you know, we think it's all about us, when really our no can be an invitation to somebody else's yes or somebody else's new experience. And I've seen that pattern now happened so many times in my life where my no then frees somebody else up for something amazing to transpire.
Sarah Tacy [00:52:02]
I love that I have to sometimes remind myself of divine timing.
Katie Sol [00:52:07]
Yes.
Sarah Tacy [00:52:08]
Like if I'm not fully at peace with it, there have been some really big opportunities and maybe I get sick or something else comes up or two things are overlapping both that I want to do. Sometimes I have complete peace with it. And sometimes I just remind myself, you know, that that saying that's like, what's for you? Can't miss you and I love the added layer that by me not making it to something, it might open up something even better that who's supposed to be there will be there and really trusting in the heart and the unfolding.
Katie Sol [00:52:41]
I'll give you another like real time example of that too is about a month ago, Kate Northrop sent me a little voice note and said, hey, I'm hosting this retreat and this person's coming in, this person's coming, this person's coming, this person's coming. And I'd love for you to be there. And I was like, oh, and it's a little bit of that shiny object syndrome right? Where you're like, like that sounds fun and exciting. What I've learned though, instead of getting caught up in the shiny object, is to take a moment and ask some questions.
Katie Sol [00:53:17]
And so I asked her, what's the retreat about? Tell me what really the intent is. And when she walked me through the intent, I realized it actually just wasn't something I needed in this moment. Then I looked at the calendar and I already had a flight to Florida with my kids during the retreat. So it just became really clear that as much as I would love to be there with this amazing group of people, it wasn't in 100% alignment.
Katie Sol [00:53:47]
It wasn't in alignment for my calendar, It wasn't in alignment for the intent of the retreat. And the only thing that was really an alignment was the amazing people I would have been able to hang out with. And that was a little sad. Just have to say no. But when we can start to really understand, like, is this in full alignment with the moment I'm in, where I'm going, my family, my situation, then we can move forward with clarity.
Katie Sol [00:54:16]
And I felt very at peace and a lot of beautiful friends went and had an exceptional time. And there was a tinge of FOMO, but I knew it wasn't for me. And if it was meant for me, it would have worked out differently.
Sarah Tacy [00:54:32]
I'm loving this and I'm wanting to jump in like, oh, I got that. I got that memo. And I've been having the experience that every time there's an alchemical alignment training, there are all these amazing opportunities with friends and groups. Like I miss Jonathan's 40th birthday party. I was in this training and Kate's retreat and it was the same thing seeing all of our dear friends who would be there.
Sarah Tacy [00:54:59]
And you know, and I just love Kate and I didn't even ask more about what it was about. It's like, Oh my God, I want to go and I can't. And there was such also peace because I was making a choice, right? I was making a choice to this dedication that I was that I have current time with this training that I'm assisting and in the past and other assistant roles within this training, I've missed different portions because so many great, but I'm thinking of like, oh, how awesome is it that in this stage you and I are sharing. It's like when you have so many great opportunities.
Sarah Tacy [00:55:33]
So that friend that we're talking about, so wanted to be there this weekend and my family is going to be getting together in New York, including my brother and all his kids. And so such a practice when you have two really great options in life.
Katie Sol [00:55:51]
Yeah.
Sarah Tacy [00:55:52]
You know, it's, it's one thing to decide between something you don't want and something that's like so clear, but to have multiple beautiful options and to tune in to your heart and have any sense of clarity and to also feel. So I feel so fortunate because I feel like I've surrounded myself with so many people who are just only wanting people who are doing that right, Like they're wanting like.
Katie Sol [00:56:22]
Yeah.
Sarah Tacy [00:56:23]
They're one like, I think my family may have had a hard time if I had said no, but I didn't. I'm not going because of that. It's more like, Oh my God, I want my kids to know my brother's kids. I want to do this thing. Like it was like such a such a yes.
Sarah Tacy [00:56:38]
And this will be the first time that I will be missing a day of alchemical alignment in this seven series year long program. But the assistants were like, hey, we got this. Like we're going to hold the space and yeah. And I'll be the same Kate's party. But it's like there's so many great options and just keep tuning into to what's right now.
Sarah Tacy [00:57:00]
Yeah.
Katie Sol [00:57:00]
I had this great coach in corporate America. She was from outside the organization I worked and she helped me see a lot of really interesting perspectives being from the outside. One thing she would always say to me is Katie, there's not a right or a wrong. Sometimes there's just two rights and I love that. It always stuck with me and I still pinger every couple months when it comes up and like O2 rights, 2 rights and going.
Sarah Tacy [00:57:31]
And then being with what you choose, right, just like whatever lesson you're going to gain from what you chose totally is like, yeah, is enough.
Katie Sol [00:57:42]
Yeah, and we happen to have a lot of really active friends who love a good ceremony, party, gathering, blessing. And I feel so grateful for that and I want to do it all too. And sometimes it's just not possible, and that's OK.
Sarah Tacy [00:58:04]
Yeah. And I think that's how you get people to like when they do show up to show up bully, is that they say no to the things that would be too much of A stretch and aren't in alignment.
Katie Sol [00:58:15]
Totally.
Sarah Tacy [00:58:18]
Oh, we're at time. I was like, I have her closing question. We're at time. Sure we had. I thought it was tracking time.
Sarah Tacy [00:58:27]
I swear last time I checked it was 2O2. We got 15 minutes left. I have one more question, so maybe I'll say I'll leave all the links where they can find you and what's up. And that's not what's up, but like what's up, what's going on with Katie and where you can find her and her coaching her podcast. And you said during this podcast that you tend to take the fast track.
Sarah Tacy [00:58:53]
And I feel like that's true even with your ability to. I know you've been doing spiritual soul searching your probably entire life, but your ability to tap into things energetically, intuitively, is just so next level. And I'm wondering if you could say a thing or two to us about the energetic transition from 2023 to 2024 and we could possibly close out with that?
Katie Sol [00:59:27]
Beautiful. I love that's the perfect way to close out to. And before I close out with that, I just want to say thank you for being the authentic sunbeam of light that you are. You are so true and real and beautiful and raw and messy and wonderful all mixed together. And I love, love, love all the moments that we've been able to deepen together in this experience.
Katie Sol [00:59:58]
And I'm really grateful to be on your podcast today. Thank you so much.
Sarah Tacy [01:00:03]
I received that and I feel so seen.
Katie Sol [01:00:08]
Good. Thank you. OK. So as we close out, 20/23/2023 is A7 year. And how you figure that out is you add 2 + 2 + 3.
Katie Sol [01:00:23]
So the numbers of the year give you what numerological year it is. And we're going into an 8 year, which is the 2 + 2 + 4 gives us 8. And the energies of 2023, we're really about resting up, replenishing, recharging this hibernation energy that comes with A7 year where you're like preparing for something really big. And the way I've been describing it to my friends past couple months is it's like the cusp that we're going into this as we are in the month of December, this cusp energy. We're still in the darkness, we're still in the void.
Katie Sol [01:01:06]
We're coming into solstice. And really, you know, we're meant to get quiet, we're meant to get present, we're meant to hibernate. And in that time, new creations, new ways of being in the world will start to emerge. And then when we flip over to 2024, it's all about acceleration, abundance. 2024 is just a big year where things are going to move really quickly.
Katie Sol [01:01:34]
I'm doing a course on, I called it the exponential energies of 2024 because that's really exponential is the acceleration. And I just feel this sort of alchemical shift happening. And I think if you tap into your heart, you probably feel it too. And if you don't have exact clarity on what that looks like for 2024, don't worry about it. It's all good.
Katie Sol [01:02:04]
It'll all reveal itself in time. But just know that the pace is going to quicken a little bit in that eight-year. It's a really big year for the divine feminine. If you look at the number 8, it has this beautiful curvature to it. It is the number of the divine feminine.
Katie Sol [01:02:22]
So we're going to see that divine feminine emerging more, being seen more in our relationships, our workplaces, and it's going to be a really exciting time of change and transition. And I'm so excited for all that's going to come in 2024.
Sarah Tacy [01:02:40]
Thank you so much, I really feel that cusp energy. I did a reading with Jennifer Rasio B.
[01:02:46] Oh, so fun.
Sarah Tacy [01:02:47]
Like earlier this year, and it's interesting because she's not doing it from numerology, but she's pretty much just said what you said. Yeah, that was all aligning.
Katie Sol [01:02:57]
It's all, you know, the I chain numerology cards of destiny, astrology, human design, it's all gene keys. There's it's all connected. And so it makes sense that it would have like a similar thread and maybe a different flavor.
Sarah Tacy [01:03:16]
Yeah.
Katie Sol [01:03:18]
Thank you so much. And I can't.
Sarah Tacy [01:03:19]
Wait to see you.
Katie Sol [01:03:20]
Tomorrow. I know, I know. I can't wait either. Are you staying at the house? At your house? Yeah
Sarah Tacy [01:03:28]
I hope so.
Katie Sol [01:03:30]
Can I? Yes, you can stay. I'm not sure I can quite on who's staying here but yes, I always have a bed available for you. Thank you so much anytime.
Sarah Tacy [01:03:42] All right. Well, I'll see you tomorrow. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Katie Sol [01:03:46]
Love you much.
Sarah Tacy [01:03:46]
Love you much. Bye. Thank you for tuning in, it's been such a pleasure. If you're looking for added support, I'm offering a program that's totally free called 21 Days of Untapped Support. It's pretty awesome. It's very easy, It's very helpful. You can find it at sarahtacy.com. And if you love this episode, please subscribe. And like, apparently it's wildly useful. So we could just explore what happens when you Scroll down to the bottom, subscribe rate, maybe say a thing or two. If you're not feeling it, don't do it. It's totally fine. I look forward to gathering with you again. Thank you so much.