031 - Cait Scudder: Taking a Wild Leap
Welcome, friends. Today on the podcast, I’m joined by the incredible Cait Scudder.
Cait is a renowned coach, speaker, entrepreneur and homesteading mother. Her podcast The Millionaire Mother is a resource and a space for entrepreneurial mothers to share what goes on behind the scenes as our family constellations change and business values evolve.
In this conversation, Cait shares the importance of embracing the mystery and transformation that comes with taking wild leaps in the direction of our intuition. And together we unpack the archetype of the Millionaire Mother through the threshold of birth and receiving support.
Join us to learn about:
Approaching uncertainty and curiosity as a time to tap into soul's wisdom
Cait’s initial hesitation about online business and personal branding
Labor and childbirth as a metaphor for the process of giving birth to a new idea
Sacred motherhood and exploring new constructs
Embracing archetypes and saying "yes" to embodying them
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Join Cait’s free online three-day workshop The Matriarch
Episode Transcript
Sarah Tacy [00:00:05]
Hello welcome. I'm Sarah Tacy and this is Threshold Moments, the podcast where guests and I share stories about the process of updating into truer versions of ourselves. The path is unknown and the pull feels real. Together, we share our grief, laughter, love, and life saving tools. Join us welcome Threshold Moment listeners.
Sarah Tacy [00:00:39]
Today we have the honor of having Cate Scudder with us. In my intro, you'll hear more about who she is. So for now, I just want to say that this episode is so good for anybody who is curious about making a shift in their life. At the beginning, we talked about that shift from a clear nine to five job into an entrepreneurial life and both the huge leap that is taken, but also the baby steps along the way and the time it might take to actually figure out the path and the ways that we can resource ourselves when we are in the unknown and when we say yes to the chaos. So I think that that in and of itself is incredible.
Sarah Tacy [00:01:24]
And the second-half we start digging into is it possible to be a well resourced mother, to have motherhood actually feed your business and your business feed into your role as mother or partner, family member that it's not either or. Throughout the episode, you may hear an ad here or there about her free three day program Matriarch, that is August 28th, 29th and 30th. As we dissect this a little bit, you hear me getting really excited and I'll say I'm not an affiliate. I'm just super interested and curious. I'm into the shift in paradigm and after it was all over she asked me to be an affiliate and I said hell yes just because I want to know about it for myself.
Sarah Tacy [00:02:11]
I want to know and breakdown this link thinking that either I can be a great mother or I can grow my business and try my hardest not to miss out on my kids lives. And I just want to keep leaning into that possibility that they feed each other. So yes, I just want you to know that yes, now I am an affiliate and when you do sign up, you can get a free day. It's like a group call that I'll do September 1st to add a little nervous system support as we begin to shift our paradigm to what is possible. I hope you enjoy this episode. I found it fun and fascinating and full of possibility. Welcome to Threshold Moments. Today we have with us Cate Scudder. Cait Scudder is a homesteading wife, mother of two under 3, about to be a mother of three under 3. Congratulations.
Sarah Tacy [00:03:18]
Thank you and multiple 7 figure business mentor who is wildly passionate about helping big hearted, ambitious mothers and aspiring mothers grow their businesses as big as they want to grow them to create rich impact, lasting wealth and a legacy that makes them proud. Cate has her own podcast called The Millionaire Mother, which is a resource and a space for mothers to come together and to talk about what actually goes on behind the scenes as our family constellations change, as business or business ideas and values begin to reshape themselves if we so allow them to, and as we steward in really big legacies and big bodies of work. Welcome, Cate.
Cait Scudder [00:04:14]
Thank you so much for having me, Sarah.
Sarah Tacy [00:04:16]
There were a few more little points that I might bring into the bio and this is kind of a reflection of maybe past points of who you were in your bio, but what to me carry through into who you still are, but an evolved form of it. So I have Cate was is an athlete and I think of this athletic associate you played college basketball. And I think about the stamina, the teamwork, the vision, the dedication birthing humans into the world.
Sarah Tacy [00:04:54]
In the energy Olympic sport was is a teacher. So you were a Spanish teacher way, way back in the day. And I see people who were at one point a teacher maybe before they started their entrepreneurial careers. And they have an ability, not all, but often an ability to break things down to a way that people can really understand the essence of something and also build people up, like to see the special skills that other people might not see in themselves and to help to amplify them for people was is an adventure. I'm going to ask you before we get into your most recent threshold to talk to us about your 2014 threshold and the part of you that took off to Bali. But then still that part of you that's like, yeah, my family is going to South Africa with two kids and I'm gonna, you know, like that they're still. And even the homesteading part, like the adventure of saying like yes to goats and that you have that part of you the part.
Cait Scudder [00:06:01]
Of the animals, Sarah, we have 40 animals.
Sarah Tacy [00:06:06]
Do you really?
Cait Scudder [00:06:07]
Oh my gosh it is crazy. If you don't count the like 1000 bees then yes we only have 40 but.
Saray Tacy [00:06:14]
Adds 1000 bees and you have 1040 animals.
Cait Scudder [00:06:17]
It is wild. It is so wild.
Saray Tacy [00:06:21]
And that risk taker I today as part of preparation, I went back and I watched your, I think it was 2017 Ted Talk. And at some point, you said that your success is directly linked to your willingness to take risks.
Cait Scudder [00:06:39]
Yes, 100% and still very much true.
Saray Tacy [00:06:44]
And so welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. Thank you so much for being here. I'm wondering, since this podcast is called Threshold, moments before we get into the threshold of motherhood and how it has changed the way you see and interact with business and life. If you could bring us back to 2014. And the reason why I'm wondering if you could start here is for people to get a bigger feel like more context on who you are. But also because I have quite a number of listeners who have reached out to me saying I'm in the middle of a threshold of moving, like either wanting to change careers or they're in the middle of it and that, you know, unknown territory in between or that scary leap. And so I'm wondering if you could say a thing or two about your 2014 threshold A.
Cait Scudder [00:07:42]
100% Well, I can't promise brevity, but I can promise depth, grace. And I'm so glad that you are starting us in 2014 because that really was the catalyst. And it feels so perfect to talk about that on this beautiful podcast, Threshold Moments, because to me, the interrelationship between risk taking and threshold Moments is so intertwined and inextricable, and I will never forget. So 2014, I was, as you mentioned, I was a Spanish teacher. I had been teaching Spanish for two years at that point at a small private middle and high school in Western Massachusetts. And while in so many ways I thought, you know, first of all, I graduated college, went right on to get my master's, graduated with a master's degree at 23 of arts and teaching from Smith College. And I emerged bright eyed and bushy tailed, just so excited about a job. And I actually trained to be an English teacher. Creative writing and literature was my field of study, but I was also fluent in Spanish and I'd spent a lot of my undergrad years, the majority of those four years, actually, back and forth between Costa Rica. I was working for a nonprofit.
[00:09:01] I ended up studying abroad there, but I started a nonprofit literature and library initiative in this small village that kept me there for the majority of those four years. And I managed to work out a way with Amherst to do that. Anyway, I and I was in a relationship with the Costa Rican guy thought I was like going to get married and live in this village, the whole thing. And in that relationship decided to go to grad school, got a full ride to get my masters. And when I emerged with my masters, this very values aligned school popped up, or so I thought.
Cait Scudder [00:09:34]
I mean, it was a school that I would have loved to send my kids to, but as an educator and particularly like 24 years old, they just, you know, suck all the life force out of what you're willing to give. And I was just learning what boundaries in a professional setting looked like and realized they were going to ask for as much as I was willing to give. And I really wanted to please, I wanted to have this great job. So I was probably working 60 to 65 hours a week, plus an hour and a half of commuting each day, 45 minutes each way. And after two years, I was absolutely exhausted.
Cait Scudder [00:10:14]
And I was like, I know I love teaching. I know I love being in this practice of facilitating the art of discovery and expansion, but I don't want to do that like this. Isn't it this small classroom talking about, you know, the plus con Perfecto is not my destiny. And so I was also during summertime. I've been leading for the last couple of years Spanish immersion, language and culture immersion trips abroad. And my best friend at the time and I were placed in Spain to lead a group of very like elite 14 and 15 year olds on this language immersion trip in Spain. And I will never forget this. I can't remember if I've told you this story before or not, Sarah. It's perfect if this is the first time. But I will never forget this.
Cait Scudder [00:11:06]
First of all, we were like 24 years old in charge of 12 teenagers. And it's like who made us the adults who put us in charge also. And it was one of the kids 15th or 16th birthday and he was like, and he loved Avicii, who was alive at the time. And we were in Barcelona for the final leg of the trip. And this was where like very, very, very well off people sent their kids to go away on this Spanish immersion.
Cait Scudder [00:11:38]
And it was sort of like whatever the kids wanted, they got kind of thing. And so he managed to convince his father to convince the company director of this immersion program to let us all go out to an Avicii concert on his parents dime for to celebrate his birthday. But Sarah, it turns out it wasn't just an Avicii concert. It was like the famous Barcelona EDM rave that happens.
Cait Scudder [00:12:04]
And we were in charge. So we all go out and get like neon glow sticks, glow in the dark. I heard Barcelona gear. And anyway, I'll never forget we were in this apartment getting ready, I was in my bathrobe literally writing my resignation letter that I had been drafting for months, and I was finally just like working up the courage to send this into my employer. We were supposed to start the school year in about 3 weeks a month. And it was one of those threshold moments where I was like, the path is supposedly paved for me. This is everything I wanted in terms of a school. They love me here. They're giving me the world religions class. I wanted to move away from just Spanish.
Cait Scudder [00:12:45]
They're letting me teach yoga. Like all the logic says, stay, grow, develop, safe path. But my soul was like, this isn't it Cate? Like there's something more and with the kids playing like the boom box or whatever they were listening to in the other room getting ready to go to this rave. I'm in my bathrobe.
Cait Scudder [00:13:06]
I finally just finished the letter and remember hitting send, getting dressed, going with these kids to this concert, like vigilantly saying, OK, this is the plan of how we don't lose each other and how we make sure you all don't die. Everyone was fine by the way. But I will never forget as the night went on and when I think it was David Guetta started playing and the beat dropped and the whole crap, I mean 10s of thousands of people just started roaring. It was this moment of like, oh **** I hope I can start on your podcast. Oh **** what did I just do with my life?
Cait Scudder [00:13:42]
Like everything feels wild. And that was that was the day that I quit my job. And so when I came home from Spain, I was living in Northampton, MA at the time. It was both terrifying and so exhilarating to be like, wow, this is what it feels like to live in this town. Not as a student or a graduate student or a teacher at the school, but just me.
Cait Scudder [00:14:11]
Just a girl in her mid to early 20s figuring out her life and I called some people. I've picked up some freelancing work for a non profit. I was tutoring in Spanish. I got a waitressing job and waitressed from August to February, which was such a great phase. I like dated a bunch of guys, had a lot of sex. It was such a fun face and frankly, I needed it to go from being 23 to being like responsible for 60 students and having parent teacher conferences. I was like, I need to be like an irresponsible mid 20s person right now. There was nothing like that. David get a beat drop to kick that all off. But I remember seeing I had done my Kripalu 200 hour yoga training in 2013 and I remember my teachers Grace Joel and Jovina Chan had created and they no longer run this, but they had created a 500 hour add on training program that they had run in Bali for two years now.
Cait Scudder [00:15:13]
The year that I went was the second year and I'd always marked it off in my mind because I couldn't take a month off and go to Bali as a teacher during the school year. But in the season of waitressing and doing odd jobs, I saw it. It came. I don't even remember where I heard about it. Maybe it was it through a newsletter or something. And I was like, I just got this deep intuitive hit to go. And it's interesting, Sarah, because I actually had this itinerary plan to do Latin America. Like I'd spent a lot of time in Costa Rica, but I'd not been anywhere else in Central America besides Nicaragua for like 2 days. And I hadn't been to South America at all. And I think I had this programming of you're a Spanish teacher, you should really know more first hand about Latin America.
Cait Scudder [00:16:01]
And it was like, no, you are not a Spanish teacher anymore. And that's not actually where your body is being called. And so when Bali came up, I'm like, first of all, that's so far. Second of all, it's so expensive. Third of all, it's so random. I don't have any connection to the language. And so much of my world had been about the language and yet there was this undeniable pull. And so, Long story short, I raised some money. I pulled a GoFundMe together to be able to pay for the training and I went. So August of 2014 is when I quit my job.
Cait Scudder [00:16:36]
February of 2015 is when I went to Bali. It was a one month immersion called Shakti Initiation. And it was all about, I thought I was going to be doing like one handed crow like insane. And I actually like probably gained 5 lbs and was like no better at Asana by the time we were done. But it was so much inner alchemy and it was exquisite. It was really, really powerful. And it, I felt it just alchemically aligning and clearing, clearing so much from my system and bringing me into this resonance to be able to attract what was coming. And I think, you know, this part of the story, I had a ticket out. So I kept my itinerary very open. Allah eat, pray, love.
Cait Scudder [00:17:26] But I, I did have a ticket out to Thailand and had a loose plan of what I was going to do in Thailand, but no real draw. I wasn't going to see anybody. And a few days. So I had, I gave myself a few days after the training ended in Bali to stay in Bali to see what you know, the other girls were up to. And the next day, after the day that the training ended, a few of the girls from the training were going to Bingham Beach in Bali. And I had no idea what this beach was. I had no plans, but they had an extra space in their bungalow and I was like, Oh yeah, I'd love to go. And so went there and the following day I was down on the beach. If you've ever been at Bangin or anyone who's listening has ever been there, there's like the cliffs up the top and then you have to walk down a bunch of stairs to get down to the beach below. And I was supposed to go down to do a photo shoot with a girlfriend who ended up getting a massage and wanting to chill by the pool as you do.
Cait Scudder [00:18:16]
And I'm like, I'm still going to go down. So I went down, did Samioga on the beach, was meditating on the beach and then was walking back and there were a group of guys sitting around a table and one of them was getting a massage from this Bolognese woman. She had this big rod of aloe Vera leaf in her hand. She was like scooping out the aloe and rubbing it on this guy's back. He's wearing sunglasses. It was really cute. But and I, there was this MO, I think he, they said hi to me and I said hi back and I said something like, oh, looks like you're getting the royal treatment or something. And he said, well, sit down, like, Simon's getting a massage next, but I'll treat you to 1, like, take a seat. And it's so interesting, Sarah, I mentioned that and I mentioned the Shakti initiation training because I, as I mentioned, was living in Northampton, Mass, like feminist capital of the world. If that exact same interaction had happened a month prior, I'm sure I would have been like you ******** like why are you hitting on me or whatever.
Cait Scudder [00:19:18]
Just like really been very defensive and had my guard up. But I was so in my body and I was so energetically attuned that I was like, oh, they're being playful and so am I. But I am like completely safe. And I'm going to sit down. And thank God I did because that man who was getting the massage was Toby and is now the father of my 2, soon to be 3 kids. And we've been there for six years and been together for 8 now.
Sarah Tacy [00:19:48]
It's incredible. There are some parts of your story that stick out to me and some I want to revisit as well. In this world that you and I cohabitate around business and. Life, there is a saying that clarity is power. And I want to lean in to like the both end, which is when we drop everything that seemed clear, that seemed like a clear path that seemed also safe. And we open up to maybe chaos and to confusion that the world gets an opportunity. And then maybe like the universe and our soul gets an opportunity to shake the illusions and begin to like. And then almost through trial and error, I think about my daughter who's 8. And it's like, oh, you want to try piano lessons? Cool. You want to try horseback riding? Cool. You want to swim? Cool. You want to like go play in the woods?
Cait Scudder [00:20:53]
Cool. Oh, you like to play, you like art. And as we get older and we narrow it in and narrow it in, narrow it in, we're looking for that clarity and for that next step and of the letting go and of the going into the curiosity and then of flowing with what's next. Where am I being pulled to next? And what I've also heard has accompanied that in your Ted speech, you talked about, and I know this so well, I remember this so clearly when I resigned from my job, that I was also working like 65 plus hours a week and getting all the positive feedback and knowing what my paycheck was like, oh, I'm going to give up health insurance.
Cait Scudder [00:21:34]
I'm going to give up knowing that I have a check coming in. I know what's in my savings. I also remember piecemealing certain things together like, oh, this company is going to pay me $5000 to put together some yoga for golf videos and these people want to hire me for a little bit here and I'll do this pop up yoga class here and really like through living letting life show me what's next. So I want to highlight that too, that they're there was clarity and that each part, you know, feeds a next. And that clarity then also has come, you know, we'll have time to talk about where your business is now.
Sarah Tacy [00:22:18]
But really that beautiful phase that doesn't that like can both be fun and scary at the same time where there isn't clarity. And I, you know, I love to think about that curiosity being where we open up to the soul's wisdom.
Cait Scudder [00:22:35]
Yes, so much yes and I love that you use the word chaos in my masterminds. I always do 2 card pulls for my mastermind, 1 to get a pulse and an energetic read on the energy that the group is coming in with and one to inquire about what is the theme or the medicine that this particular group needs before we begin the mastermind. And with this group, I pulled the Solace, the Sun, and this is from the Kim Kranz Alchemy deck. Pulled the card of Solis the Sun, just like that shining noble masculine, divine masculine, got it under control, performer, doer, achiever. That was the pulse on the group. And then the second card that I pulled was the Chaos card. And originally I was like, oh **** you know that moment of like, do I just slide that one back in the deck? That wasn't for me. I think that was a mistake, but it was.
Cait Scudder [00:23:32]
Like it was so wild because on our first call, I told that to the group and as the shares emerge, I was like, this is perfect because you're so right. Chaos. Wow, seemingly the opposite of clarity. And I mean, this is so related to the gestational process of motherhood and business and creativity and ideation. Chaos is actually part of the clarity.
Cait Scudder [00:23:59]
Like no artist sits down at a blank canvas and just flicks her fingernail and a masterpiece is there. It shape shifts and transforms a million times before the final piece is created and emerges from the chaos. And it may be at the very last moment. And so when I think about the inner relationship between clarity and chaos, it's like for me, it was the clarity to know part of this is aligned, this teaching path, this Dharmic leadership path is deeply aligned, but this isn't it. And I'm clear on it, but I'm not clear on what it is.
Cait Scudder [00:24:37]
I didn't even know what online business was at that point. I had no idea. The words personal brand weren't even in my lexicon. I had I had no idea about any of that podcast and what have you. It was foreign to me and yet I could feel this deeper resonance saying like, come into the mystery, come into the mystery and let me shape you, let me transform you, be here with me.
Cait Scudder [00:25:02]
And it is, I think that that is so much the path that as entrepreneurs we are asked to walk. And, and as creatives, as artists, whatever form of artistry your walk is in life or business, it is required of us to be able and be willing to go into the mystery, into the void, into the uncertainty, into the unraveling and emerge as a new person that we can't predict or control before we step into that. Thank.
Saray Tacy [00:25:35]
You. If you are a mother or someone dreaming into being a mother and feels like it's complicated to figure out your new identity and how to be in business and be a present mother. Cate is offering a free three day workshop August 28th, 29th and 30th from 12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time until one. I will also offer a follow up program for nervous system support on September 1st, 12 to one. For anyone who signs up for this free program through me.
Saray Tacy [00:26:20]
The program is going to look at how to let go of your pre motherhood identity and step into the new paradigm of creating wild success from the seat of your motherly power. What it means to be a present mother without sacrificing your business. And I have to say for me that I know there are unspoken contracts woven in to my body, into my belief system that that's not possible. And I want to say here that I am ready to untie those contracts to let them go and lean into a new possibility. She will also be offering practical tools for shifting your business model and daily rhythms to be a motherhood friendly and create massive success. Day one is about identity. So I would say about how do we lean into the archetype of the matriarch of the well resourced. Mother Day 2 is the infrastructure of creating your support network and day three, the business end of innovation, impact and income. If this is of interest to you, we will have a link below. I will definitely be there myself.
Saray Tacy [00:27:30]
I am really excited and I'm curious and it just feels like an authentic yes for me. And if you are feeling that in any way, again, the link is below and I will see you there. And then we can also see each other on September 1st at 1:00 for a little extra nervous system support. Cheers. When Cate Northrop and I had a conversation, I think it was episode 5, we were talking about the cycle of awareness and the middle of the cycle is the fertile void.
Sarah Tacy [00:28:07]
And then, you know, she brought up the idea of crop covers, which I love. I think when she and I first met, we were both like, what is our next step and what is it going to look like? But we also had our things that we could fall back on that we were in our own rights, like experts on in our field where it might not be the future, like we might know, like, OK, this is slightly outlived, but I can still do it and I still love doing it. And again, in your, in your last story of that threshold, it's like, and you tutored and you picked up some jobs here. And so we get to have those crop covers that give us like just enough stability, just enough nourishment.
Sarah Tacy [00:28:49]
Well, also, so it's just like doesn't even have to be this or that where it's like we get to resource ourselves in certain ways while we're in the unfolding. And so I think a lot of people when they like jump, like when they're like, I want, you know, this job is not for me. And it feels very all or nothing to know that we can still resource our crop covers or like the things that we could do on the side to help give us some stability, some resource as we're going into this. Great mystery.
Cait Scudder [00:29:19]
Yes, I love that. And I love that metaphor. I often think about the metaphor of like stepping stones across a river. And you know, we're so fed the language of the big leap and taking the leap. And I think taking the leap is amazing. I mean, as you reference like so in so many ways, the Ted talk that I delivered is about taking risks, which is, you know, the analogy of taking the leap. But I think sometimes taking the leap actually looks like finding your stones and stepping across like So for me and to just connect the timeline between 20/14/15 and today, I ended up canceling my plans to Thailand. I stayed in Bali with Toby and had this unbelievable better than Julia Roberts and I mean it was just so magical falling in love with Toby, cancelling my flight. I moved my flight to Thailand, cancelled it again and he invited me to go to Australia after 3 1/2 weeks of just honeymoon phase discovering Bali together.
Cait Scudder [00:30:25]
He had this epic villa there and connected me with a much of amazing people and we went to Australia and met his whole family and when I saw him with his family I was like OK, this is the one. And he thought the same thing. We like the first day we got to Australia, he asked his mom for his grandmother's engagement ring and that is the ring that is now on my finger. But anyway, I share that because OK. So then I went back to the states, Costa Rica for a month to deliver another language immersion program back to the states for two days, then went to Spain to do another summer of this immersion thing and wasn't really aligned with the company.
Cait Scudder [00:31:07]
So I actually quit in between the two gigs I was supposed to do there and Toby flew out, met me in Madrid and proposed in Madrid. So we were engaged like 3 months after meeting each other and I moved to Bali in December of that year, December of 2015, but I didn't start my business until May of 2017. So it wasn't like I took the leap. I moved to Bali and I was like a six figure entrepreneur from day one. I moved to Bali and it was interesting because not visiting there and quitting all my other jobs and moving to Bali to be like this is where I'm going to figure it out, brought up all my ****. I was absolutely terrified. I almost left. I almost left Bali, almost left the relationship. It was just bringing up all of my money stuff, all of my fear stuff around what am I going to do? And I can't just get a job at a cafe here.
Cait Scudder [00:32:05]
Foreigners can't work like that. There's a whole visa process. Anyway, I ended up getting a job as a technical writer for working for a company based in the States, writing user manuals for a technology software company. I mean, like boring. For me, it was so boring, but it was something that I could do. I was very competent in it, and it gave me the steady income I needed to build up a little nest egg to be able to invest in my business. And I share that because in so many ways it was a wild leap. I mean, a wild leap across the world, a wild leap to leap what I knew, a wild leap in the direction of my intuition. And mom needed to make some money. You know, I needed to, I needed to figure it out.
Cait Scudder [00:32:46]
I needed to be able to pay for life. And I did that job for a year and a half, working remotely from Bali, taking 1000 screenshots, writing really boring user manuals, having really boring meetings, but that served a purpose in such a rich way. And so that was my stepping stone thing that brought me to the ability to and the courage to start my business and really go for it. And it was about a year and a half after doing that job that I finally quit. I'd made my first, I'd replace my corporate, I don't want to say replace, but I'd match my corporate salary and what I was making in my business after my first launch and signing some private clients. And I'm like, OK, I can do this. It's time. And again, that felt like a leap, but it wasn't total lack of proof of concept. It was. It was built over time.
Sarah Tacy [00:33:44]
And alchemic alignment is a small doable steps over time. And there are the quantum leaps as you said that I was thinking of the story of Hanuman the monkey God who before he makes his big jump from India to Sri Lanka, he has to stop and 1st remember his divinity, his father is Bayou, the God of wind. And so there's that part of us that has to tune in before we make the big leap. But after he saves Rama's consort, his wife, he actually finds out he has to go back and he has to build a bridge. So kind of like you were saying, the stepping stones for the other two to unite so that we can have this big leap in which we're following our soul, we're following our divinity.
Sarah Tacy [00:34:29]
But then there's a part of building the bridge between the two gapped things that we can actually walk over. And I love the idea that both of them exist. Both of them are part of that story. And as you were saying, you had the big leap and the stepping stones. I really love that.
Sarah Tacy [00:34:46]
And also it was I felt my heart as you were saying that, I felt my heart like really starting to warm up. It didn't even feel like it was beating faster. It was like warming up and kind of felt like it was expanding. As I was listening to you, there was something meaningful to me about you sharing. So we, we said 2014 you, I think you're moving into 2017 when this business really started to get its foundation, getting its footing.
Sarah Tacy [00:35:15]
It's really healing to me actually just to hear that. And I have to go back and remember what it was when I built my business because in some ways I'm like starting again and to start again after having like, it's so for like for 2015 was probably like my peak year before I left everything and moved to Maine and started, you know, became a mom and everything shifted. And just to know that, you know, time can go by and all of that time is helping us and are becoming in our first steps in the beginning of a business. It's really beautiful to hear that. So that it's not like if you don't immediately when you jump in have this wild success, that it doesn't mean it's not coming.
Cait Scudder [00:36:03]
100% And you know, Sarah, I think we're in such an age, particularly right now in the online culture of and just societally overall. You know, we're in the Instacart Amazon Prime Day and age where we almost expect not just because we can order things and have them arrive on our doorstep with the, you know, few flicks at the thumb, but also because I think particularly in the online space, it's become almost normalized to celebrate instant or seemingly instant. Like velocity is connected to validity in results. And I just think that while I am so much in celebration for women shouting from the rooftops, their winds and their epic momentum, I think it does damage when we neglect to show the parts of the story where there is very quiet percolation underneath the soil. And I think that for me, this is so much about honoring matriarchal motherly wisdom in business is this is the process of the womb.
Cait Scudder [00:37:21]
This is the magic of creation is that there is a gestational. You don't have sex and have a baby the next day you there is a gestational. Where there is very little evidence except for the, you know, growing tummy or when you plant the seed. And there's very little evidence until one day a tiny little outcomes out of the ground. You know, you don't have the juicy mango.
Cait Scudder [00:37:49]
The second you plant the seed, there is a process of cultivation. And I think it's so healthy and healing. And that somatic response you're describing of that warming of the heart and that deep breath, like it's so important that we remember that that is actually the law of creative process. And when we forget that in the business world, because marketing messages of overnight success are very popular, I think we cut ourselves off from actually the overarching magic of creation.
Sarah Tacy [00:38:26]
This, I think, really segues so beautifully into the Millionaire mother. And I want to say for myself, there was not When I heard the millionaire mother, because you saw me when you first told me the like the update and the name, I was like, yes.
Cait Scudder [00:38:44]
Amazing.
Sarah Tacy [00:38:45]
But yeah, that just because I'm so used to, like you said, the Instacart and the Amazon and the promises of the big things and success. Only if that. When I listen to one of your first episodes under the new name, The Millionaire Mother, I really loved how rich the theming was and the stories are so that it's not just what happens in the summer after the mango tree has been growing for many years. It's not just the birth, but the messiness before. And I don't always, I probably wouldn't.
Sarah Tacy [00:39:22]
Listeners are like, does she always have to highlight the messy? I want to celebrate the bigness and the beauty too. And I just love when the whole picture is there. Like the whole picture gets to be there when all of us gets to exist. And so I'm wondering if you would like to tell us a little about your transition.
Sarah Tacy [00:39:40]
And I think this, I know there was a transition into motherhood that was big, but I know that your second birth in particular really helped to begin to shift this new version of what you're offering.
Cait Scudder [00:39:54]
A 1,000,000% Thank you so much for asking. I it's wild. So my eldest daughter Ella is going to be 3 in October. We're recording this in the first week of August. So she's 2 3/4 or what have you.
Cait Scudder [00:40:10]
So that's how long I've been a mom and I'm pregnant for 3 1/2. You know, first got pregnant 3 1/2 years ago. And so the themes of identity unraveling and rebirth grappling with. This go getter rah running in the rice fields first thing in the morning, dancing to Beyoncé hit workout. So many of the versions that I knew to be true of myself when pregnancy hit and my body slowed down and my body started expanding and I could feel the tendrils of unraveling before even entering the birth portal with Ella on October 10th, 2020, I could feel that something really big was rewiring itself through me.
Cait Scudder [00:40:57]
And I gave birth October 11th, 5:45 in the morning in 2020. And it was surprise, surprise, not the birth I planned for. We wanted to have a home birth, but she was 41 and six and ended up transferring to the hospital and I was able to deliver her vaginally. But it was extremely painful and scary. There were a lot of, there were probably 15 NICU people on the phone.
Cait Scudder [00:41:27]
Like one of them was on the phone taking calls. I'll never, I could hear them even though I was, you know, on the ayahuasca trip of giving birth. And it was just, it was not the experience that I wanted. I had a third degree tear. I had a really challenging time walking across a room by myself for the first six weeks postpartum.
Cait Scudder [00:41:47]
So it was, it was quite rough but slowly started to re emerge and integrate. Really deeply loved from the beginning, which I know is not the case for all women, but I just felt so at home inside of motherhood like this is what I was born for. And also felt almost reinvigorated for my work. Like straight away I my experience after having Ella, even though the physical recovery from the birth was more challenging, I didn't feel it phase me on an existential level as it related to my work. And then with my second birth, so I found out I was in Greece with my parents and Toby and Ella for my parents 60th gift and my and Ella's first birthday I'm like thank God she was 1.
Cait Scudder [00:42:44]
So she doesn't have the president of going to Santorini every year for her birthday. She can't remember it. But we were there and on her first birthday, I took a pregnancy test to find out I was pregnant with Jack. And so Ella and Jack are 20 months apart and I am now pregnant again and this baby and Jack will be 19 1/2. So they're almost equidistant, spread out and kind of back-to-back.
Cait Scudder [00:43:07]
But I have to say the Jack's whole birth, I mean, I'm probably going to cry on this podcast, but Jack's birth rewired me on a cellular level. And I gave this analogy to a friend the other day. It's my experience with going from maiden to mother of one, but then going from mother of one to mother of two. I almost feel like, you know, when you're walking in, maybe you never do this, but I have done this before when you're walking in from the car and you've just gone shopping or whatever and you have the shopping bags and you're like, you know, you do the bomb thing of 75 things in your hand and you're like, all right, I can just get this one more bag and like fold it with my pinky finger and I it, it's just a short walk to the like to the front door. I'm just going to do one trip and just bring it all in and you can get there and make it.
Cait Scudder [00:44:10]
And it's a little, you know, wonky, but you get there and then you try to do that, but then there's just one more bag and it's like they break and all the berries go everywhere and everything just kind of bottoms out. For me, having the second kid was like just that one extra bag where it's like, no, no, no, we can't just do it like we did it before and make some adjustments on the fly, but just kind of get through. And I didn't feel in my postpartum with Ella running my business that I was like pushing through. But in many ways I was doing the same thing and talking about motherhood, but I was very much doing the same thing, sharing the same message with this updated identity of being a mom. But it was very, it felt very coherent with everything that had come before.
Cait Scudder [00:45:01]
But there was something about Jack's birth. I did so much healing work. I mean, I worked on my own healing physically, emotionally, somatically clearing the trauma of the first birth, really re templating my nervous system and my body to welcome in an easeful, expansive, welcoming embrace of Labor and delivery. And it was still a longer delivery. So from the first gentle waves that started to all 10 lbs and 15 ounces of Jack roaring into the world into the water bath in our home, it was 19 hours.
Cait Scudder [00:45:46]
But the it was the most beautiful experience of my entire life was that birth and feeling him come into the world and feeling my body open and expand and my entire I think of all the significant things that happened during that birth of so many divine synchronicities. His quote UN quote due date was supposed to supposed to be a Gemini, but this boy is Cancer through and through. I went into the day, I went into labor. So it was the day before June 26, his birthday, just June 27th was the first like hot, hot day of summer last year. And we went to the lake and got in the water and that is what really gently kicked off labor and the moment in the labor.
Cait Scudder [00:46:36]
So it was around midnight that the labor really started to pick up and, you know, was in and out of the water, the shower in the early kind of early active phases of Labor. But when I went into transition, I was in the tub and the rain started to fall. It was around 11:00. And Jack was born at 12:30 on the dot. And he was, he was the size of a toddler. He was 10 lbs. And 15 oz. He was absolutely enormous. His head was 15 centimeters and I barely tore. And it was so profoundly healing.
Cait Scudder [00:47:15]
And I think that the most significant part of that experience, like especially in contrast to my birth with Ella, which is the only other reference I had, I mean, I literally had nurses holding my legs up, which is not, I am not a anatomy expert here, but that is not the position that is most optimal for the pelvis opening is that kind of like scrunched position. But they were like literally holding my legs up and when a contraction came screaming in my ear to push. And with Jack, I was on my hands and knees. I was listening to sacred mantra music. I was in my home.
Cait Scudder [00:47:55]
I was leaning into my beloved and I did not push him out. And he literally this is it's a physiological thing that happens. It's called the fetal ejection reflux. And literally the fondest of the uterus, the top of the uterus will literally expel the baby out. Women who are in a coma will vaginally deliver a baby with no conscious effort.
Cait Scudder [00:48:22]
And Sarah, like so much of my brand and my business and my message was about taking the risk, the risk to rise, rising up and the sacred, you know, I know, you know, because we went to a party together where we both dressed as our Venus sign and my Venus is in Capricorn. There's this leadership, sacred divine masculine energetic that I carry and it's just part of my inner masculine is very integrated and I feel very comfortable in leadership positions, coaching, mentoring, like that role. And a lot of the flavor and energetic of my body of work up until that very moment was around like setting the vision, taking the leap, going for it. And what happened during that birth was a complete rewiring of my understanding of and relationship to power from the innermost, deepest feminine space inside of me. Which is when you bow to the power that exists in you without your effort.
Cait Scudder [00:49:33]
When you allow yourself to surrender to the majesty that is actually moving through you. When you remove yourself and remove all efforting. And it takes a kind of discipline and an effort to do that. But when you essentially remove your will and exertion out of the way and allow yourself to catch this cosmic wave that is going to carry literally this being from the cosmos through your legs and into the world, it, it just changed me forever in that moment. And he came in and I spent the following ten months, which is an interesting timeline from conception to birth.
Cait Scudder [00:50:24]
But I spent the following ten months in myself and in my business in more of an identity shift then I think when I went from maiden to mother, because what I had just birthed was not just Cate mom of two. It was oh, hold on, what is my message? Like? What do I stand for? What it what is it that I'm really saying about leadership and motherhood and business?
Cait Scudder [00:50:54]
Like, because that experience just changed my entire reality. And you know, I love that we were speaking before about the clarity and the chaos because I had my best selling programs that we're taking along. I had a bunch of stuff that was pre sold. So Jack was born a little over a year ago, a year and a month they should go. And I delivered on many of those things that had been pre sold and carrying me through.
Cait Scudder [00:51:23]
But the beginning of this year, I could feel that there was this like fundamental stripping away that wanted to occur and the emergence of something new and I didn't know what it was yet. And I share about this in depth. I could literally talk about it for an hour, but I won't make sure I get close to that. But I share about this in depth in the first or second episode of since we rebranded the podcast, It's like I closed a multi $1,000,000 offer. Here's what happened.
Cait Scudder [00:51:54]
That's the title of the episode. And Long story short, in the end of May, I got the very clear hit that it was time to close down the mastermind that I have run for the last five years that has made millions and millions of dollars. That I knew it was time to compost and give back to the earth and make space for what was wanting to emerge. And very similar to the story that I told at the beginning of knowing in my bones, it was in alignment, but not having the clear vision of what would emerge next. I listened.
Cait Scudder [00:52:30]
I obeyed. And immediately after, I went to Paris and spent some time with my best friend and came back. And I literally kid you not, I'm glad you're not showing this video because I'm not exactly camera ready. But I could bring you over to this whiteboard in the corner of my office where I sat. I actually was on hands and knees in my office.
Cait Scudder [00:52:51]
I have never done this. I was beautiful 19th century French table that is my desk. I was on my hands and knees channeling like I was freaking ancient Egyptian scribe or something. I was just channeling the entire vision and rebirth to the exact detail of the rebrand of the entire company to the millionaire mother. And it was such a testament to me and leading in my business through the exact frequency in medicine that I'm describing to you of what if I got out of the way and allowed this like cosmic life force, current of creation to flow through me, what would happen? How would birth be different? How would business be different? And that is how we rebranded to the Millionaire Mother.
Sarah Tacy [00:53:47]
I'm seeing this parallel between. Did you call it uterine ejection?
Cait Scudder [00:53:52]
It's called the fetal ejection.
Sarah Tacy [00:53:54]
Reflux fetal rejection because you want to keep your uterus, right. So the fetal injection reflux. I love that. I wish I had heard of that before I went into my laborers. My pushing was around like 3 hours at a time.
Sarah Tacy [00:54:08]
And even just the difference between the idea of pushing for something, what I, I was actually my favorite part of Labor was because my body was giving me such a clear sign and I got to work with it. Like I really understood. I felt like I really understood how to work with it. However, how you're describing it is almost like getting out of the way of working with it that like it will come through and it's so gorgeous and I love it because I actually like going back in that and tracing back. I'm like, Oh yeah, I could totally feel how it's happening anyway, like this is happening and the way that you just described the rebrand coming through was also like an ejection.
Sarah Tacy [00:54:51]
Like it's coming through and you get out of the way and you write it down. And so the birth of Jack and the birth of this new rebrand, they both sound like that ejection can sound like really fast and aggressive, but I. But I really see it as this, you know, this portal from above and down through almost like the seven chakras where it's this divine idea through manifestation, but really getting out of the way and letting it come through you. So I really, I've never heard you describe it quite like that before. And I'm loving it because I think again, for me, when I hear the millionaire mother, I get really excited and I feel that Capricorn and Venus like I so Capricorn having more of that, like strong masculine holding.
Sarah Tacy [00:55:38]
And as I hear you tell this too, like I really feel like then there's the mother, like right, That's the second part is like the mother. But also I think in our culture, mother has been living in the patriarchy. So the way we might hear mother is still often a doing right there is like the doing of the schedules, the doing of the laundry, the doing of the dishes, which I'm not saying this should be mother, but mother within patriarchy often holds that role. So what is sacred mother? What is sacred feminine?
Sarah Tacy [00:56:13]
What is the million like the millionaire mother who is holding the sacred of letting the channels come through without being the one just like struggling and working. And I think because that's in some ways moving into a new construct, it could seem impossible. But as you're living into it and as we live into it together and, you know, as a community, I'm just so excited to see what comes of it and what shifts in different women's lives as they begin the inquiry into this possibility.
Cait Scudder [00:56:51]
Yes, 100%. I love and appreciate all of that so much. And firstly, I want to say that that fetal ejection reflux, I learned that from Karen Welton, the founder. She's at Pain Free Birth on Instagram. One of the many things that I did to heal and prepare for Jack's birth was take her E course pain free birth, which there was a part of me that's like, all right, pain free.
Cait Scudder [00:57:16]
Are you serious? Knowing what I know about my first birth, I am a skeptic through and through, but this is what I desire. So let me learn. And I have to say it prepared me so well to embrace the sensation of birth to allow instead of resist. I could say so much more like I did a hypno birthday chorus for my first birth.
Cait Scudder [00:57:37]
But what I realized, I didn't realize this until after Ella's birth. But I was using my breath basically to brace against, brace myself against the intensity of sensation as opposed to using breath, using sound to just allow and embrace like a warm hug every contraction. But there was a moment it was I was right about in transition and I could feel the fetal ejection reflux starting. It was more than just like breathing and embracing and breathing the baby down Like it was more than just that. I could feel my body starting to expel.
Cait Scudder [00:58:16]
And I turned to my midwife. This isn't Jack's labor. I turned to my midwife and said, I'm scared. And side note, I think this is one of the healthiest things that we can do, whether we are in labor with a baby or we are in labor with a project, is to find the people, the trusted web, intimate web of support and to speak the fears out loud because otherwise they fester and we hold on to them. And we don't have to do that alone, which is I'm going to say so much more about that.
[00:58:45]
But we, when I spoke that fear and I said, I'm scared. This is getting like way more intense. And I've been doing like I've been a champ, but like, I'm going to another like the baby is coming. And she looked at me and she said, Cate, that exact sensation and that exact intensity that you fear is what it's going to bring your baby home. And it, he was here like 10 minutes later and I, it is that same thing when we are birthing a business.
Cait Scudder [00:59:20]
And so I really hear you with the association of the millionaire mother. There's this aspirational expansive element. And there may be a little twinge of contraction of like, could I really have that? Could I possibly do that? Is this one more ******* thing that I have to do as a mom?
Cait Scudder [00:59:36]
It's not enough to make the dinners and do the laundry and be here and there and drive my kids to school and remember to say the right things and reflective listen and not snap and oh, now I have to become a millionaire. Like Jesus Christ, when does this **** end? That is not what we're talking about. And I honor and respect anyone whose association is like first association with the name of the brand is like, **** this ****. Like I'm already doing enough.
Cait Scudder [01:00:02]
I so hear that. And the invitation that I want to provide is that the name? First of all, I have to just say this little context. I told you I wasn't going to be brief. I'm sorry about the name.
Cait Scudder [01:00:15]
So it was maybe like 8 weeks postpartum with Jack and I literally like sat up in bed and I texted my lawyer and I was like, we need to trademark the millionaire Mama today. She was like, hi, how are you doing? How's your baby? What like do you have a program called this? What is this?
Cait Scudder [01:00:34]
And I was like, no, but I just, I can feel it was just again, divine download. It just came in complete. And it was several months later that I was sitting in a hot tub masterminding with a couple of really close girlfriends. And one of them reflected back to me what she was hearing me say. And she's like, Cate, this feels like the millionaire mother, not the Millionaire Mama. And it was just instant chills over my whole body in a sauna. And I was like, yes, this. It is this archetypal. It's an archetype. The millionaire mother is an archetype.
Cait Scudder [01:01:07]
And she is not the superwoman who, on top of being depleted, exhausted, stretched thin, bucks up. And also, is this a plus performer in a man's world, rocking it through the patriarchy and making millions? She is a richly resourced woman who is sourcing her creative power from the depths of her womb and birthing a movement and the wealth that comes from it from the seat of her motherly power. That is what she is. And so the millions, the money that I believe and is my experience that that is the byproduct of profound alignment.
Cait Scudder [01:01:57]
It is the byproduct of choosing to move through the world in business and in life, richly resourced, rejecting the martyr archetype and the over extension and the committing when she wants to rest. It's like what is possible for women when we reject, you know, I say in the brand like trying to become wealthy or trying to succeed in business like a maiden. Like we don't have these other humans that we are responsible for or a man and being competitive. And you know, what does it look like to truly run our companies and our lives from the seat of our wisdom as deeply feminine beings and mothers? Like what would change?
Cait Scudder [01:02:47]
What would open and my experience, I mean, I became a millionaire after becoming a mother and the millions of dollars that have come into my world have happened like my first million dollar year was the first year I became a mom and we've had continue to have 7 figure years every year since then. And my experience has very much been by allowing myself to step deeper and deeper into the seat of that motherly identity and run my company the same way and ride every contraction and expansion, like riding the waves of Labor, more and more literal magic continuously. And that is what the Millionaire Mother really stands for and is all about.
Sarah Tacy [01:03:36]
Thank you so much. And I do want to say that when I first, I know I already said this, but when I actually first heard the name of it, it was a full body. Yes, for me too. So if my mind might get in there and be like what if and this and that, like I heard it and I was like, wow, I knew that there's something powerful here. And I love how you define the archetype.
Sarah Tacy [01:03:58]
I have a podcast episode right before this one that talks about leaning into archetypes. And when we lean into an archetype, it's not that we're trying to be something we're not, but we are leaning into the parts of us that are there but possibly asleep and beginning to help them to kind of come a life alive, like vibrate a little bit more, kind of nurture them. Really like we're going to. If I was going to be the millionaire mother that is resource that is moving from my womb, that is moving from my wisdom, what would that look like? Would she, how would she find support with childcare? What would her community look like? So the moving into an archetype is like, what scent would she wear? What clothes would she wear? And a lot of this came even as I was listening to the 12th house do a podcast episode on this. And it's I just think it's such a beautiful practice.
Sarah Tacy [01:04:56]
And maybe as I kind of I think do a crystallization of this podcast episode, which is like we get to hear the beauty of that archetype. And in moving the feminine, not just from the maiden, but bringing in the mother. We talked about like the mass of birth and the moving into like, well, who knows what your version? Any one person listening to this of the millionaire mother is going to look like until we say yes to letting it move through US, right? And knowing like that we have things that we can use for cop covers and everything.
Sarah Tacy [01:05:36]
We spoke before that. There is kind of this both a leap and the stepping stones. If the idea of being a woman who is moving for a womb and moving from her wisdom and the possibility, like sometimes that could even be like, don't even tell me that a woman could be well resourced. But just to open up, going back to the idea of the reticular formation and episode 3 is like just the idea of opening up to the possibility. Our brain will begin to see ways to bring it in.
Sarah Tacy [01:06:07]
And so also being part of a community that is collectively, it's collectively in the field that we are looking for ways or the possibility or even seeing and collecting evidence that this is possible. Things begin to shift and so on that note you have a three day free course, and if not, it might be a recording by the time it comes out called the Matriarch.
Cait Scudder [01:06:34]
Yes, it's called the matriarch. Sure. It's happening August 28th, 29th and 30th and is going to be such a rich room to plug into for that support. It is a three day business and identity rebirth workshop where we are tuning in. And I love that you spoke about that archetypal work and especially that there's an episode coming out on the podcast about that.
Cait Scudder [01:06:58]
Because this really is about what does it mean to align myself with the archetype of the well resourced mother, the woman who is the mother who is leading from her matriarch power. So she's integrating this wise elder leadership stewardship frequency with the deep wisdom and intuition of the mother, with the heartbeat and the wide open from crown to root, this wide open channel of receptivity and creativity and allowing that circulation of energy. What does it look like to run our companies as her? And so this is going to be an incredible, incredible workshop. We already have thousands of women registered and expect to have over 10 or 15,000 women in the room. So you will be and such great company if you're listening to this and you come to join and I really hope you do because it is going to be so profound and you will find community there as well as a lot of wisdom.
Sarah Tacy [01:08:07]
I'd love to add one more thing, this idea of the field, which at some point in my life just sounded like an idea. But I've gotten to experience over and over again that when I come together with a group and intention is set for the field that it begins to amplify those things and say an alchemical alignment. If the field is birth, that I might start to have a lot of non verbal things happen in my body that I think are random and a partner might be like, oh, you're experiencing thing like things that you would have experienced from age this to this. And that might be a terrible example of the field. What I'm saying is that as soon as you say yes to something that has an intention that without even efforting, almost like you're saying with that birth, it begins to come through you and you begin to feel and experience things that you might not have if you hadn't said yes to being a part of that field.
Sarah Tacy [01:09:02]
So that there's a non efforting portion of just saying yes to being part of a field, a group collective field. And then on top of that, you get the details and the questions and some maybe some step by step stuff, the whole package. But there will certainly be things that reverberate in you just by saying yes, which I am not. I'm not an affiliate of this program. I'm not. But I'm just like, I'm actually just excited about that possibility. And thank you so much for coming on today.
Cait Scudder [01:09:32]
Thank you so much for having me, Sarah. I love that description of the field. And I feel like that's that is such a beautiful, nuanced, rich, energetically attuned description of what the power of getting in the room or the magic of getting in the room, like that exact thing. It's the frequency ripple effect that is often invisible, but is undeniable about the things that start to move in shift when we align ourselves with that intention. So that was so beautiful and thank you so much for having me.
Sarah Tacy [01:10:04]
Hey friends, I'm popping in here to say since the recording, I know I said this at the beginning, since the recording, Cate said do you want to be an affiliate? And I said hell yes. I'm so into this work. This is big and it's big for me and I want to learn about this. And this week has actually been a pretty intense week for many reasons.
Sarah Tacy [01:10:29]
And I've questioned my yes to this. And each time I ask my body and I tune in, the answer continues to be yes. This is important work, yes. And do it in a way that is in alignment with myself, with my body, with me being resourced. Lean into the message of the program itself and move from there.
Sarah Tacy [01:10:52]
So to be clear again, her free three day program Matriarch is August 28th, 29th and 30th. I will be there. And when you sign up with the link at the bottom of this podcast, then you will also get a group call with me on September 1st to support you and or just to answer questions that you might have from what you heard during Cate's calls. Thank you.
Sarah Tacy [01:11:3]
Thank you for tuning in. It's been such a pleasure. If you're looking for added support, I'm offering a program that's totally free called 21 Days of Untapped Support. It's pretty awesome. It's very easy, it's very helpful. You can find it at sarahtacy.com.
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